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Post by nl »

kbcool wrote: post #64
_2d30 wrote: post #51

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I'm not sure Singapore's government falls under a military dictatorship by any means. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_of_Singapore

When the dictatorship controls the military you can pretty safely say they're a military dictatorship.

That's the opposite of a military dictatorship.

A military dictatorship installs the dictator and the dictator relies on the support the generals to stay in power.

That isn't the case in Singapore (nor many other dictatorships, where the dictator controls the military).

You can tell by if the dictator has generals replaced, or vice-versa.

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Post by archibaldJ »

diveanon wrote: post #214
archibaldJ wrote: post #74

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I've lived in Singapore for more than half of my life and met expats there from all walks of life. And I would tell you Singapore is very well integrated with western values, both in terms of the cultures and the social-political aspects of many things (other than weed and cocaine, etc; but you can certainly get your hand on some lsd if you know the right contacts). Anyway the point is that Singapore is very westerni…

Are you gay? Because that is illegal in Singapore. Seems very modern and forward thinking to me to make an entire lifestyle punishible by law. Singapore attracts people like you, who are willing to overlook the glaring injustice because it is "clean and conservative". Wake up.

Dude. You jumped the shark too early there. (People behaving like you is the exact reason why HN is becoming more like reddit nowadays.)

You can read my comment in response to bkor's. In no way I was trying to glorify Singapore or the authoritarian nature of things.

I actually left Singapore and moved back to China because there are more acceptance and appreciation for liberalism in China than Singapore. And more grey areas to navigate around too. And I'm one of those people that believe in making a difference in China. Making a difference in Singapore is much harder and requires more resources.

I have a few friends that tried to run some form of NGO in Singapore. One of them did a project called Make It Share It (https://www.facebook.com/makeitshareit2017/) to promote art and freedom of expression. The Project closed down a year plus later due to lack of funding because it was entirely self-funded and they didn't give too much thoughts on the self-sustainability part. I would say it did manage to bring some positive impact to the society a lil but in a very limited way. Afterwards the founders left Singapore and now they got settled down in Berlin.

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Post by archibaldJ »

diveanon wrote: post #215
archibaldJ wrote: post #129

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I love how this comment received a few upvotes in the beginning and there came the downvotes. HN as I've known it have certainly changed to be more reddit-like now.

What point are you trying to make?

karma inflation.

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Post by archibaldJ »

StreamBright wrote: post #91
archibaldJ wrote: post #74

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I've lived in Singapore for more than half of my life and met expats there from all walks of life. And I would tell you Singapore is very well integrated with western values, both in terms of the cultures and the social-political aspects of many things (other than weed and cocaine, etc; but you can certainly get your hand on some lsd if you know the right contacts). Anyway the point is that Singapore is very westerni…

What the western values in this case? This is a legitimate question, not sure why the down votes.

why the down votes - karma inflation. Too many people have received enough karma to downvote nowadays, especially people that jump the shark too early.

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Post by archibaldJ »

archibaldJ wrote: post #84
azernik wrote: post #73

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I have heard a China expert claim that this is the long-term goal of the Chinese Communist Party - a rich, authoritarian state with economic and (non-political) personal freedoms.

A friend of mine in China talked about how Alicloud is pitching blockchains to the Chinese government for some internal uses. And the interesting thing is that the Singapore gov has already launched a blockchain marketplace for renewable energy and it's not a fintech PR move but a happening phenomenon right now where I've got friends moonlighting as energy salesman. So yeah, that's definitely what's happening now - a…

Even this comment got fluctuated between upvotes and downvotes. Intriguing what the karma inflation does now. I've noticed the downvote behaviour is context-sensitive i.e. in regards to the article's content and the general sentiment around the reception.

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Post by mendelmaleh »

JimDabell wrote: post #232
mendelmaleh wrote: post #110

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How do you define 'operating in' for a web service? I would suggest they are operating on the internet, out of the US, therefore bound only to US law. Having the service accessible worldwide shouldn't make you subject to everyone's laws.

Facebook have a large office in Singapore where they employ many people. There is no question they are operating there.

So would that be 'Facebook USA' or the local subsidiary? Of course 'Facebook Singapore' needs to respect Singapore law, but the question was wether 'Facebook USA' needs to.

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Post by mendelmaleh »

squiggleblaz wrote: post #204
mendelmaleh wrote: post #110

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How do you define 'operating in' for a web service? I would suggest they are operating on the internet, out of the US, therefore bound only to US law. Having the service accessible worldwide shouldn't make you subject to everyone's laws.

I guess it depends on whether they have ads paid for by Singaporean based companies targetting Singaporean based audiences. If Coca-Cola sells their wares in Singapore entirely by remote operations based in the United States, we'd still expect them to abide by Singaporean regulations pertaining to the sale of beverages in Singapore, taxes etc. The alternative would seem to be separate national internets. Data might b…

If Coca-Cola sells remotely, I would imagine that would be through a local importer, and it would fall on him to follow the local regulation, or through a local subsidiary, and the same would apply. So yes, Singapore should have to separate from the internet if it wants to enforce its laws imo.

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Post by magduf »

tdsamardzhiev wrote: post #196
9nGQluzmnq3M wrote: post #179

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In Singapore, it's the prime minister who calls the shots. Period.

Who's been in charge for 16 years, and who just happens to be a military general and the eldest son of the previous prime minister. But hey, I said what had to be said, and see no point arguing about the formalities. I'll let HN users decide for themselves.

>Who's been in charge for 16 years, and who just happens to be a military general

According to this logic, the United States was a military dictatorship for a good portion of its history. Presidents Washington, Jackson, W. Harrison, Taylor, Pierce, A. Johnson, Grant, Hayes, Garfield, Arthur, B. Harrison, and Eisenhower were all generals. Your claim is absurd.

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Post by vorpalhex »

diveanon wrote: post #212
vorpalhex wrote: post #100

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> derived from christian values This is not quite correct. Christian values would be a strict theocracy with no freedom of the press. Liberal values descend from a robust view of agency, eg humanism which is more or less incompatible with strict interpretations of Christianity. Compatible with deism though.

You are confusing catholicism with the teachings of christ. Two very different messages. Love your neighbor and judge others as you would judge yourself.

No, I'm quoting directly from several hundred if not thousands of years of Jewish teachings which make up over half the bible. Christ mentioned very little on political structures, he certainly didn't vouch for democracy.

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Post by magduf »

humanrebar wrote: post #230
magduf wrote: post #221

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Small towns have no high-paying jobs; that's why they're mostly dying and people are moving to the metro areas.

Depends on the town. Some have industries that pay the bills fine. Like tourism or fishing.

Those are the towns that will survive. The ones with industries that dried up won't.
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