This is correct. The Magic keyboard has been beloved for several years, and it is not a keyboard that has ever been in a laptop before.
Personally, I prefer the MBP2015 keyboard to the Magic Keyboard. I have been to an Apple Store recently to try out the MBP16's keyboard and it's good - but not as good as the one I'm typing this on. I also don't understand the obsession with key stability on the corners. I like the instability. I use it when I'm touch typing - it gives my fingers a lot more tactile feedback.
That probably means the keyboard isn’t that good ;)
Ugh. I despise the "magic" keyboard as there's way too little travel. I always found the whole thing a bit physically painful. It's never going to happen but I'd love to see a return of the Aluminum / Titanium PowerBook keyboard.
Those were great, but having slightly sculpted keytops and longer travel takes an extra 2–3 millimeters of vertical space, which isn’t going to cut it if the #1 goal is for the folded up machine to be as thin as possible. Personally I wish sommeone went back to the keyboards used on IBM 5140 or IBM P70. Probably not too likely though. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_PC_Convertible https://deskthority.net/wiki/IBM_P…
Meh. Give me a fully mechanical keyboard in a somewhat portable body. Like those old Apple IIe boxes.
Those were great, but having slightly sculpted keytops and longer travel takes an extra 2–3 millimeters of vertical space, which isn’t going to cut it if the #1 goal is for the folded up machine to be as thin as possible. Personally I wish sommeone went back to the keyboards used on IBM 5140 or IBM P70. Probably not too likely though. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_PC_Convertible https://deskthority.net/wiki/IBM_P…
Meh. Give me a fully mechanical keyboard in a somewhat portable body. Like those old Apple IIe boxes. This is a joke btw.
The two I linked to were “fully mechanical keyboards in a somewhat portable body” (for very modest definitions of “somewhat portable” – they were 13 and 20 pounds, respectively). Not really “laptops”, but two fantastic keyboards.
Personally, I prefer the MBP2015 keyboard to the Magic Keyboard. I have been to an Apple Store recently to try out the MBP16's keyboard and it's good - but not as good as the one I'm typing this on. I also don't understand the obsession with key stability on the corners. I like the instability. I use it when I'm touch typing - it gives my fingers a lot more tactile feedback.
That probably means the keyboard isn’t that good ;) Sloppiness shouldn’t make it feel better.
Instability allows you to know exactly where your fingertip is positioned once you know it.
I specifically brought up the speakers as the key differentiator beyond the keyboard, so I find it really weird to include in your list of things I “missed” about this computer. Beyond that, I address most of the others in this comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21570906
That wasn't a list of things you missed. It was his list of the features in the upgrade to show it wasn't that you said.
Well he quoted something that was itself a hypothetical quote from a story I made in my comment to explain the addition of the speakers, so I think it’s weird to pretend that my statement was “it’s just the same keyboard with the same CPU” when I obviously pointed out the speakers. Wait a minute, why am I explaining this to you, if you read both comments you already know that it’s plainly obvious that his list absolutely is supposed to represent things I supposedly missed and you’re trying, unsuccessfully, to make a purely semantics based argument.
It‘s not a very professional device if you can‘t upgrade the storage and the memory. The Mac Pro will feature modular SSDs (and they aren‘t even super fast). I wonder if Apple will use something proprietary or standard M.2 NVMe modules. They probably can‘t offer PCIe 4.0 slots since they‘re using Intel which is trailing behind.
The MBP goes hard on the trade off of maximising what it can fit inside while being portable. You could make the cpu, gpu, ram and ssd user replaceable. But then you need bigger connectors, meaning you fit less stuff in. There’s barely any unused space inside. If you want something you can replace parts on, get a Thinkpad. As someone who carries a MBP every day, the focus on portability is something I appreciate. So…
> As someone who carries a MBP every day, the focus on portability is something I appreciate. So for me, I’m happy to take that trade off.
Well, no. I got issued a 2018 MBP 15" and it's an alumninum brick twice as heavy as any X-series thinkpad and twice as fragile (screen broke twice by just gripping the lid at the display bezel).
Meh. Give me a fully mechanical keyboard in a somewhat portable body. Like those old Apple IIe boxes. This is a joke btw.
The two I linked to were “fully mechanical keyboards in a somewhat portable body” (for very modest definitions of “somewhat portable” – they were 13 and 20 pounds, respectively). Not really “laptops”, but two fantastic keyboards.
TBH I was trying for a joke, but it came out pretty flat ._.