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Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by fuu_dev »

siegecraft wrote: post #215
fuu_dev wrote: post #197

Criticism: #1 Brave advertise with privacy and speed while all they do is adding adblock. #2 Brave replaces adds with their own adds. This basically means you get the same experience but cut off the income of the content creator entirely. #3 Brave allows you to reward 3rd party sites. This system is so nice they even got legal issues as it was assumed as fraud. #4 BAT. Brave advertise with consumer first. The best ch…

Re: criticism 1, this is mostly true. However the fact that it's "not google" adds some privacy, or at least diffuses vulnerabilities. Regarding criticism 2, you have to opt-in. Otherwise brave is just a browser with adblocking capabilities built-in. I don't understand criticism 3, but then again I have just been using Brave without opting-in to the BAT portion so I'm out of the loop on that. Regarding 4, why would P…

Paypal is the most popular billing service that is present everywhere. By not using Paypal you essentially create extra steps for the end user. This goes 2 ways, you need to purchase BAT if you want to use their reward system.

This was partly an big issues as even tech savvy streamers on YouTube had issues getting the currency. This makes the end user less likely to use this feature at all.

Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by smichel17 »

criddell wrote: post #178
buboard wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If people aren't willing to look at ads, what will news articles become? ads. What will HN comments become? Ads (many blog posts already are). Advertising covers a need

There are a decent number of us that don't object to ads, we object to tracking and surveillance. I'd probably use a browser that blocked all trackers and ad networks that do tracking/user profiling but did allow other kinds of ads. If enough people did that, the ad tech companies would have to evolve and target the producer and content rather than the consumer. That would be a big step forward IMO.

AdNauseam has a setting to allow non-tracking ads (the list of which I believe is maintained by the EFF).

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Post by sadturnip »

judah wrote: post #13

I've been using Brave rewards, both as a user and a content maker. It's really great, and I feel this may be a reasonable alternative to the invasive trackers+ads we have today. For the uninitiated, Brave lets users opt-in to Brave rewards: - You set your browser to reward content creators with Basic Attention Token (BAT). You set a budget (e.g. 10 BAT/month), and Brave distributes it the sites you use most, e.g. if…

Can someone explain to me this, as i could not find any real answers from my few minutes of searching. Lets say i have a blog and suddenly people start sending me BAT.

1. How does this impact my taxes? Wouldn't this be considered an income?

2. If i don't collect it where does it go?

3. If my content is being hosted on something like youtube or github do i get it or does the site hosting it get it?

4. How do i go about claiming that i own this, and how is this even verified?

After reading their FAQ, basically to collect any money you need to sign up for an uphold account. In order to become verified on Uphold i need to provide a random company a copy of my passport/drivers license/etc to verify my identity. On top of this they also take 1.95% conversion fee for working with BAT. Ontop of the 5% that Brave already takes by default.

On top of this if you are lets say a Twitch streamer sign up for Brave Rewards, but Twitch doesn't sign up as a publisher on Brave. According to the documentation you apparently get nothing? Where do those tokens go if someone donates?

Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by radicalbyte »

prepend wrote: post #224
mdorazio wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would personally much rather allocate actual dollars instead of CryptoBuckOfTheDay backed by ads I have no desire to ever watch. Say, $20/month that gets allocated to sites I visit. The whole "reward people for watching ads" model just seems... wrong.

Me too, and I’m sure so would Brave. But it’s not really possible with dollars. Flattr tried it a while back where you could set aside 5 euro per month, or whatever, and they would distribute it to the stuff you liked the most. But the transaction fees were high for them and it was hard to do super small payouts. This is a crypto case that makes sense. I’m not quite sure how they will keep an exchange rate with the d…

Why not? How do the ad buyers buy the ads which Brave are selling you?

So yeah, all they have to do is to peg their currency to the dollar and it makes the whole discussion trivial. You get your content, content creators get paid, Brave get paid.

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Post by jamiequint »

nfoz wrote: post #222
znpy wrote: post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because you're probably not paying for 99% of the contents that your web browser loads.

If you don't want to provide free content then stop publishing on the web, a free medium.

You're confusing what is technically possible with what is ethical.

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Post by npo9 »

prepend wrote: post #224
mdorazio wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would personally much rather allocate actual dollars instead of CryptoBuckOfTheDay backed by ads I have no desire to ever watch. Say, $20/month that gets allocated to sites I visit. The whole "reward people for watching ads" model just seems... wrong.

Me too, and I’m sure so would Brave. But it’s not really possible with dollars. Flattr tried it a while back where you could set aside 5 euro per month, or whatever, and they would distribute it to the stuff you liked the most. But the transaction fees were high for them and it was hard to do super small payouts. This is a crypto case that makes sense. I’m not quite sure how they will keep an exchange rate with the d…

The transaction fee hits two places. Once when money goes into the system and once when money goes out. If I spend $5/month and split it 50 ways there is no reason to pay a transaction fee on each 5cent transfer because it’s within the system.

Twitch’s bits are a great example of this system.

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Post by DHPersonal »

mdorazio wrote: post #54
judah wrote: post #13

I've been using Brave rewards, both as a user and a content maker. It's really great, and I feel this may be a reasonable alternative to the invasive trackers+ads we have today. For the uninitiated, Brave lets users opt-in to Brave rewards: - You set your browser to reward content creators with Basic Attention Token (BAT). You set a budget (e.g. 10 BAT/month), and Brave distributes it the sites you use most, e.g. if…

I would personally much rather allocate actual dollars instead of CryptoBuckOfTheDay backed by ads I have no desire to ever watch. Say, $20/month that gets allocated to sites I visit. The whole "reward people for watching ads" model just seems... wrong.

I think it's possible to do that with the Brave Rewards program, as long as one verifies the rewards wallet with Upheld and then deposits money from a bank account to the wallet.

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Post by hunterloftis »

wjoe wrote: post #117
Hamcha wrote: post #22

I've used Brave since March, and I'm really not impressed. For a browser that tries to be different, it's incredible how little consideration has been given to things that annoy users and that could probably be trivial to remove. To be more specific, my issues with Brave are: - Still uses the Chrome Web Store as main store - Does not have an easy way to load packaged extensions from 3rd party sources - Even after add…

> I always saw Brave as "not chrome, and not as much of a change as Firefox" It seems more like "Chrome, with some plugins" than anything else. It's a shame really, I like the concept of the BAT project, I'd be interested in using it as a plugin for Firefox, but I'm not interested enough to switch browsers and lose all the features and plugins I'm used to in Firefox.

A BAT plugin for FF sounds like a brilliant way for Brave to build a broader community of users.

Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by annoyingnoob »

Fuck ads. Fuck tracking. Fuck making me part of your 'audience'. There has to be a better way. I'm going with blocking until there is a better answer. Brave may be a step in the right direction but its not the solution.

Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by buboard »

hinkley wrote: post #160
judah wrote: post #13

I've been using Brave rewards, both as a user and a content maker. It's really great, and I feel this may be a reasonable alternative to the invasive trackers+ads we have today. For the uninitiated, Brave lets users opt-in to Brave rewards: - You set your browser to reward content creators with Basic Attention Token (BAT). You set a budget (e.g. 10 BAT/month), and Brave distributes it the sites you use most, e.g. if…

You had me... > Brave ads show up as a notification in your operating system outside of the page. and then you lost me. Hitting people with notifications is an escalation of ad hostility, not a reduction.

yeah i kind of wish they had a way to replace the ads in-page. as a publisher i want some control of how intrusive to be to the user's attention.

Also, their ads must be by definition content-unaware

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