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Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by wil421 »

ses1984 wrote: post #80

"I'm so glad this model has a touchbar" "I would buy a dell xps but only if it had a touchbar" things no one ever said.

I love my 15” 2017 MBP with a Touch Bar. It’s much easier to mute and slide the volume than my previous MBP. Safari and VScode have Touch Bar features I like. Glad they brought back the esc key.

On previous MBPs you still had to touch the fn key to use F1 etc... I do the same on my newer Mac. Press FN and you get what you need back.

Personally I don’t see why they get all the hate. It’s a little gimmicky but I don’t dislike it. The keyboard was my biggest gripe but Apple replaced it for free in a couple days.

Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by insta_anon »

Can someone explain to me how Apple can justify only including a 720p FaceTime HD camera into the "the world’s best pro notebook"?

The last iPhone that had this FaceTime camera was the 6S, released in 2015. Since the iPhone 7 (2016) the phones have had at least a 1080p FaceTime camera. Given that FaceTime / Skype calls are such a common use case and rarely anyones uses external webcams anymore, why doesn't Apple use the existing camera system of the iPhone 11 for the MacBook?

Seriously, if I pay north of $4000 dollars for a laptop, why do I get an obsolete camera?

Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by pcr910303 »

input_sh wrote: post #168
dvcrn wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I like the Touch Bar a lot. Not having esc was the only gripe I had with it but I personally much prefer the multifunctional bar over some static f keys

I'm curious, do you usually blind type? If so, what advantage does it bring to you to look down on your keys? Also, in an optimal seating position (elbows at 90 degrees), do your fingers obscure the visibility of the touch bar?

Not parent, but I'm also a user that likes the Touch Bar (see comment history).

To answer,

> Do you usually blind type?

Yes.

> If so, what advantage does it bring to you to look down on your keys?

For simple actions (like opening a new tab) there is no need to look down on keys. IMO this is little Apple's fault, whenever I use a tabbable & Touch Bar-usable application I set the new tab button on the right. I usually place the trash button (on Finder, Mail and some other apps) on the middle of the Touch Bar.

For some more complex actions (like selecting an emoji/suggestion, or moving between photos, etc...) it's just as fast/faster to glance over and move your fingers instead of using shortcuts/trackpad.

> Also, in an optimal seating position (elbows at 90 degrees)

I'm not sure if I'm in optimal seating position, but... (If you're meaning if my elbows are on the same height of the display yes)

> do your fingers obscure the visibility of the touch bar?

No, not at all. I can clearly see the Touch Bar whether my fingers are.

Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by Jonovono »

Someone1234 wrote: post #22

Holy heck, they re-added a physical escape key. That's a huge improvement. a slight shame they didn't just move the touchbar up and re-add the F key row too, but it is a good compromise and improvement regardless. This could be the one a lot of people have been waiting for if the new switches/design pans out. PS - Although I might be an unusual demographic as I touch type and wouldn't use the touchbar regardless (sin…

Whats with you guys and the ESC key? It's so far away do you actually use it? I map caps-lock to ESC/Hyper key which I find pretty useful.

Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by insta_anon »

throwanem wrote: post #17

I'm astonished and pleased to see they walked back the two worst things about the original Touch Bar MBPs - the lack of a physical Escape key, and the full-size left and right arrow keys. The lack of physical function keys remains regrettable, and the Touch Bar is still no worthy substitute, but perhaps this is a sign that Apple is finally interested in listening to feedback from its long-term customer base, even if…

Agreed, as long as I am forced to use the TouchBar, it personally for me is not "the world’s best pro notebook".

Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by scalatronn »

pcr910303 wrote: post #218
ses1984 wrote: post #80

"I'm so glad this model has a touchbar" "I would buy a dell xps but only if it had a touchbar" things no one ever said.

> "I'm so glad this model has a touchbar" I'm so glad this model has a Touch Bar. I have seen numerous people who have a MBP 2016 or later which just can't use computers without the Touch Bar experience. If somebody doesn't find it useful, that's OK, but please, there are a lot of people (who doesn't loudly complain at HN) that finds the Touch Bar useful & incorporates it in one's workflow. I for myself uses my Touch…

yeah, i got one with touchbar, it's very bad and useless.

about butterfly switches... garbage

Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by Keyframe »

Klonoar wrote: post #131
mcv wrote: post #104

A co-worker is really impressed with all the improvements, but they seem to mostly be improvements over previous poor ideas from Apple, that other brands already had or never abandoned. I admit, a 16" screen in a 15" body sounds really nice. But most of this is stuff other brands already had.

The other brands don't have macOS. Running a Mac isn't just hardware. People were annoyed because they don't want to run a different OS. Yes, you could get cheaper/powerful hardware somewhere else... but it's not macOS. Hackintoshes need not apply here.

You're saying that like macOS is a plus here.

Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by stopadvertising »

throwanem wrote: post #17

I'm astonished and pleased to see they walked back the two worst things about the original Touch Bar MBPs - the lack of a physical Escape key, and the full-size left and right arrow keys. The lack of physical function keys remains regrettable, and the Touch Bar is still no worthy substitute, but perhaps this is a sign that Apple is finally interested in listening to feedback from its long-term customer base, even if…

It's funny how stubbornly arrogant Apple is, they could have taken over a huge swath of PC/workstation market share if they had undone these bad decisions years ago.

They don't really care, they are a phone company now, I get it, but still. The arrogance is astounding.

Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by kuu »

Someone1234 wrote: post #22

Holy heck, they re-added a physical escape key. That's a huge improvement. a slight shame they didn't just move the touchbar up and re-add the F key row too, but it is a good compromise and improvement regardless. This could be the one a lot of people have been waiting for if the new switches/design pans out. PS - Although I might be an unusual demographic as I touch type and wouldn't use the touchbar regardless (sin…

"Holy heck, they re-added a physical escape key. That's a huge improvement"

Amazing how this can be the first comment. What would be next? USB ports? Even jack ports on the iPhone?! /s

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