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Who Killed the Scrollbar?

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KDE or plasma whatever its name, is basically unchanged from 1995 UI philosophy. The closest we can have today in 2019.

I run XFCE (via Xubuntu) on my home desktop for the same reason. The lightness is a bonus.

Going off on a tangent, but KDE is lighter than XFCE these days.

Or at least https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2019/10/23/bold-... has been making the rounds.

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I'm old enough that I started out building desktop apps with native widgets. You had consistent, easy to use UIs, and they were pretty much the same no matter what application you where in. Building the UI was considered they easy part. You could even draw the thing with drawing tools! Since the native widgets were designed by people who spend all day thinking about UI, user testing UI, etc everything pretty much jus…

> There's no such thing as "native widgets" in a web app. HTML form elements are essentially "native" widgets, if only native to the browser. The problem with them is that older browsers lack support for many desirable widgets (e.g. calendar date entry), so some "UI-building" work is still needed.

There should be an HTTP-friendly GUI standard and we should have GUI browsers that implement all the common GUI widgets we know and love rather than emulate them with buggy clunky JavaScript/DOM/CSS. And be state-friendly to avoid having to use Ajax-like techniques to get desktop-like state.

The industry is simply missing a standard. Everyone was hoping HTML/JS/CSS would mature enough to solve it, but it didn't, despite being given 2+ decades. Developing in and using web standards for anything data-centric or highly interactive is a royal pain. You need rocket science to build a bicycle. Time for a dedicated bicycle standard.

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Tags would be okay as a folders replacement if they, you know, actually replaced folders. That is: if a tag can in turn have tags, and those tags automatically apply to the tagged files, then it should be trivial to not only emulate a folder hierarchy, but even improve upon it by offering more flexibility. It'd also help substantially if more tag-centric applications were up-front about which tags are already defined…

LoCCS: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Library_of_Congress_classifica... Seriously. (Or one of a very few equivalents, possibly the Colon Classification.)

Tangentially, I find it amusing that the Library of Congress classifies the Bible as "BS".

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Yeah, but surely the vast vast majority of dropbox's business has to come from PCs. Given how hard (and wrongly) they are pushing to be a collaborative space for work documents, I think I must be correct about this. I know it's cool and all to imagine everyone working on their phones, I just can't see that as a viable work process atm.

but who uses the desktop web interface? don't dropbox users use the desktop app?

Sarcasm is hard. Unless I'm mistaken, you're imitating Blizzard and Diablo Immortal. If not then I think your comment comes across as extremely blind to a large segment of users.

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Flipping flip i agree! It's not just scrollbars. I hate the mobilification of everything. I hate that desktop designs are imitating the nonexistent information density of phones. Bring back menubars, and extensive left-hand hierarchies . Even in mobile, it's more practical for me. I like a full page where i can zoom in and out faster between its parts rather than scrolling up and down all the time (I browse reddit in…

Incessant hamburgerization is something that I also find annoying. Any time I have to set up Firefox, the very first thing I do is enable the menu bar. My desktop isn't a tablet - stop trying to make it one!

There is a style of roundabout called a hamburger roundabout. It's controlled by lights, and has a two-way lane running straight through the middle.

I don't drive much, these days; but even as a passenger, they do my head in. No More Hamburgers! Boo!

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The hieroglyphs are beyond me. It's literally making up your own alphabet not to mind language. Might be the ultimate sign of the over indulgence of developers/designers. Each gets their own perfect world which we must spend the time decrypting

I wish at least they used the egyptian ones. I 'd love to learn their language

Press (Stork) to save!

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I've just seen the new Microsoft Office. On the desktop. With a big screen. But just pressing the File menu makes the document you work on completely disappear behind something useless. I've tried Word and Excel, both behaved so. Insane!

> I've just seen the new Microsoft Office. On the desktop. With a big screen. But just pressing the File menu makes the document you work on completely disappear behind something useless. That's been the case for I think a decade now. Maybe longer. To be fair, now days they make really good use of that space. Earlier iterations of that UI were pretty bad, but a giant list of recent documents, a list of recent documen…

I think it auto saves only for Office 365 or SharePoint based documents. It definitely doesn't auto save my documents when they are local or on a network share.
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