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Earliest known draft of the King James Bible discovered

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Obviously it’s interesting to religious people and people who study religion. But, on top of that it’s an important document of the English language at that time. So it’s got linguistic interest as well. But that’s the case for many historic religious texts. One has to do with religion the other is the linguistic aspect. Of course there are other areas of interest like culture and so on.

I grew up on the KJV so for me it's a very powerful cultural touchstone, just as much as Shakespeare with which it is roughly contemporary. For me the atheist/rationalist view and the mythical/spiritual view are two poles of my psychological constitution. They are opposed, yet indivisible like the poles of a magnet. I feel as though I wouldn't be my whole self without either. The Bible, the Greek myths, Norse mytholo…

A lot of anomalies invoke Christian religious sentiment in our culture, I’ve been around co-workers who simply had no idea what people were talking about

There was yet another preacher convinced they had mathematically determined when the rapture would be and that it was “surprisingly” a nearby upcoming date and his flock was selling their possessions. Watching my co-workers giggle after the explanation was entertaining.

But you can really be out of the loop

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You can understand why, the meaning of the NT goes pretty hard against established religion as it cuts priests out of the loop entirely. It also has a very strong, communist/shared wealth message. If you're rich or powerful and don't believe it would be anathema. Letting just anyone read that ...

There's also a whole lot of "give unto Cesar what is Cesar's," and some "come on guys, don't start the Jewish-Roman wars, they're going to be a bad idea." I don't see why rich people should be bothered by that.

However, for contrast, consider also John 11:47–53; the leaders both political (chief priests) and religious (Pharisees) were considering Jesus and his teachings to threaten the relatively stable situation they had with the Romans—that was a key reason they claimed in why they sought his death.

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Do religious groups in the US, specifically, Christians, talk about the history of the King James Bible? Why is it, uh, trusted by so many, when stuff like this hints at a storied construction?

I grew up in a religious family and community and I asked the same question! There was a debate among people about which version to use and anything but the King James version was wrong. Why? Because of Revelation 22:18,19 18. For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 19. A…

The Living Bible is a paraphrase, not a translation.

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Um not sure about all of those being "technically" "Christian"

Curious why you think that. From my POV, they are all very "Christian".

From the perspective of any Protestant or Catholic, LDS and Jehovah’s Witness are not Christian churches.

In general, outside of their circles, those two are considered heretical cults.

Protestants and Catholics generally disagree on many doctrinal things, but they agree on that.

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Just to be clear, the oldest texts unambiguously condemns male-on-male sex under penalty of death: "If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads." (NIV translation https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus+20%3A... ) The translation just doesn't use the specific word "homos…

Interesting that you chose a modern translation (1973). I just randomly scrolled to another (the orthodox jewish bible) and it says no such thing: "If an ish also lie with zachar, as he lieth with an isha..." So I don't think you can say "just to be clear" I am neither gay nor part of any religion so I don't have a dog in this fight. But I am interested in hermeneutic philosophy, translation, and, separately, the nat…

> "If an ish also lie with zachar, as he lieth with an isha..."

What does that mean then?

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