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Stripe to move to South San Francisco

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Re: Stripe to move to South San Francisco

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Moving offices is really disruptive to people's lives, and causes a huge amount of turnover in your workforce. A brief excerpt from Peopleware[1]: "The typical person being moved today is part of a two-career family. The other half of that equation is probably not being moved, so the corporate move comes down hard on the couple’s relationship at a very delicate point. It brings intolerable stress to bear on the accom…

That's all true, but assumes a quick move. A move strategy could be as simple as, opening up an office in a cheaper location: 1. New teams are created at the new location. 2. New hires on existing teams are placed at the new location, with exceptions if teams have a strong need to be in the same place. 3. Make it clear that you'll help people relocate to the new office if they choose to--some people will take you up…

Any examples of a big company actually doing a gradual move this way? It doesn't seem like it would work.

Satellite offices are tough to do right. It's very hard to build trust between individuals at the different offices without regular face-to-face contact. In the absence of this, you end up with negative relationships between teams at different sites: "The team in Springfield doesn't care about quality" vs. "Those Shelbyville engineers are always dragging their feet and never launch anything". Communication bandwidth between sites is also much more limited - you need to minimize how much a team at site A needs to communicate with teams at site B to get their job done.

Another issue is how to get the satellite office going from a cold start. Do you re-assign projects that are already being worked on in your existing office? Most of those employees aren't going to move, and they're going to be upset that their project was yanked away from them. You've also set the project up for failure because everyone on the new team has to ramp up on the necessary domain knowledge from scratch. So you think "Ok, I'll leave existing projects at the current office and start new efforts at the new office." Now you have an office exclusively working on things that were deemed to be either too low-value or too risky to work on before - not a recipe for success.

Leadership is another major issue. If your senior leadership moves to the new office, they're going to be constantly flying to the larger original office to supervise things there. More realistically, they're going to stay in place, because their time is better spent at the bigger office. This creates problems as leaders move up the ranks at the satellite office, because eventually they hit a point where their career stalls unless they move to the "head office". Teams at the "head office" are at a permanent advantage in project selection, etc. due to proximity to senior leadership.

In short, it's not as easy as your list makes it sound, and it's particularly difficult to grow a satellite office to a similar scale as the original office.

Re: Stripe to move to South San Francisco

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I am not in the bay area, in fact I've never even been to the West Coast. So I am going to ask what may seem like a stupid question to some of you. I mean this in as polite a way as possible, but why wouldn't established companies like Stripe just fuck off to another city entirely? It's a successful company with a great product - that I'm sure many people would like to work for. They could surely lure talent from the…

Stripe is just opening a NYC office.

https://stripe.com/blog/nyc-office

Of course NYC has its own housing problems, but they're cheaper than the valley.

Re: Stripe to move to South San Francisco

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post #149

I am not in the bay area, in fact I've never even been to the West Coast. So I am going to ask what may seem like a stupid question to some of you. I mean this in as polite a way as possible, but why wouldn't established companies like Stripe just fuck off to another city entirely? It's a successful company with a great product - that I'm sure many people would like to work for. They could surely lure talent from the…

Your assumption that people would want to move is one I would have made until I saw the reality.

You can barely get people to move to Denver while keeping an SF salary.

Re: Stripe to move to South San Francisco

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This blows, not so much because Stripe is leaving SF, but because it's going just over the border for tax purposes so 100% of employees who live in SF will stay in SF. The company just won't pay their fair share to the city to offset their impact. The line about this being about space and not taxes is hard to believe.[1] And for good reason. Last year Stripe funded an anti-homeless campaign just $1 shy of the reporti…

> The company just won't pay their fair share to the city to offset their impact.

I'm not sure what you mean by "offset their impact", but regardless, employees living in SF will still pay local taxes.

[I'm a Stripe employee, but I'm remote from NC and speaking entirely for myself.]

Re: Stripe to move to South San Francisco

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I remember when Stripe emailed me as a job candidate. At the time, I was sitting in the bar directly behind their office, and basically replied that they (one of the Collison brothers) could come right now and have a beer with me. (I was sitting in the Rose and Crown, and they were in the office behind the Wine Room on the same block.) * > why wouldn't established companies like Stripe just ... off to another city en…

> Good weather The weather in San Francisco is overrated, it's always cold and windy and there are never any seasons.

I'm sorry you're getting blasted for your opinion, especially since it's one I share.

I LIKE seasons. I LIKE snow. I LIKE watching leaves fall in the autumn and rebirth in the spring. I LIKE sweaterweather falls and, cold winters, and hot summers.

San Francisco's climate has "mild," going for it. It seems to be permanently pants and tee shirt weather (but don't forget your jacket). The summers (sept/oct) are nice, but limited for what you expect in California. It's frequently windy when the sun is shining, and the fog is constantly sitting nearby, threateningly.

The best you can say is SF's weather is different, but I certainly do not understand the hype.

Re: Stripe to move to South San Francisco

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post #149

I am not in the bay area, in fact I've never even been to the West Coast. So I am going to ask what may seem like a stupid question to some of you. I mean this in as polite a way as possible, but why wouldn't established companies like Stripe just fuck off to another city entirely? It's a successful company with a great product - that I'm sure many people would like to work for. They could surely lure talent from the…

Some employees would be afraid to live in a non-California state where non-compete agreements can be enforced. Even if Stripe eschewed them, their next employer might not.

Re: Stripe to move to South San Francisco

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post #149

I am not in the bay area, in fact I've never even been to the West Coast. So I am going to ask what may seem like a stupid question to some of you. I mean this in as polite a way as possible, but why wouldn't established companies like Stripe just fuck off to another city entirely? It's a successful company with a great product - that I'm sure many people would like to work for. They could surely lure talent from the…

Your assumption that people would want to move is one I would have made until I saw the reality. You can barely get people to move to Denver while keeping an SF salary.

I tend to think of it this way: "can I get the same or better compensation if I lost this job after the move?" If the answer is no then I'm probably not moving.

Also, there are reasons why people would prefer the bay area over Denver for non cost related stuff. (And vice versa)

Re: Stripe to move to South San Francisco

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post #233

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Brutal is a bit overstated, but it can be very chilly (especially in the foggy areas) compared to what people expect of summer. You often need to wear or carry along warm clothing even in July. A lot of sweaters get sold at Fisherman's Wharf during summer months to people caught unaware.

Scorchingly hot summer is just a few hour drive away though

you're making the case for Los Angeles then, not San Francisco.

Local weather is something you experience every day, not something you travel to. Same goes for snow and tahoe.

Re: Stripe to move to South San Francisco

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post #162

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Stripe has offices in lots of places. But they also have their existing employees in San Francisco. Fucking off to another city is functionally equivalent to laying off half the company.

Boeing moved, many companies based in NYC moved out of the city in the 80s, 90s. It’s not extremely hard, but it is disruptive. When the exodus happens it’ll start as a trickle and by the time people take notice half the cos will have reduced occupancy. After certain stage it’s more about managing growth than about R&D, so you can find most of the talent you need in alternate markets.

I feel like Boeing has far more of a monopoly on hiring the kind of talent they need than Stripe. They also seem like a place that has more "lifers".

Stripe engineers can just say "no thanks" and go work for SF company n+1 down the road. Does Boeing have competition in the same city that could reasonably hire Boeing knowledge workers? Honest question.

Re: Stripe to move to South San Francisco

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post #149

I am not in the bay area, in fact I've never even been to the West Coast. So I am going to ask what may seem like a stupid question to some of you. I mean this in as polite a way as possible, but why wouldn't established companies like Stripe just fuck off to another city entirely? It's a successful company with a great product - that I'm sure many people would like to work for. They could surely lure talent from the…

1. San Francisco is really nice. It's 87 degrees today at the end of October. There is good food, decent public transportation, culture, ocean, forests, etc. It doesn't snow here or get blistering hot, so productivity is very steady year round.

2. Because San Francisco is very nice (perhaps) and we have good schools around here. A lot of hires come from UCB, Stanford, UCLA, USC, and other UCs. Those account for several of the top engineering schools in the country/world.

3. Silicon Valley has hit an inflection point where we're now the best place in the world to find TOP talent in tech. It's not a great place for mid and junior level talent, but if you need top talent for an opportunity that is high growth and high per employee leverage, there is no place better in the world.

Ultimately, the main issue is that everything is too nice and worked too well so the cost of living has sky rocketed. And that is driving out everyone that isn't a top tier talent (engineering and opts). It's really sad, to be honest, I love San Francisco and Silicon Valley, and I wish we could find a way to solve the living cost issue and continue to grow as a hub for innovation.

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