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Supreme Court allows blind people to sue retailers if websites aren't accessible

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Re: Supreme Court allows blind people to sue retailers if websites aren't accessible

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post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So now everyone can pretend to be blind to take advantage of online only deals on the phone?

I mean, they could already get the deals, by going online. I'm a little confused about what you see wrong with this scenario.

The discounts are given since orders on phone cost the company more than orders from their website, in terms of employee labor and cost of manning the phones.

Re: Supreme Court allows blind people to sue retailers if websites aren't accessible

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post #210

I know the owner of a small brick and mortar store in California. She decided to create a web site to sell her products on line. She got a domain name and a hosting account and installed a canned platform (OpenCart) which allowed her to create her own web site and started to try and sell. Total sales on the web site over three years: about $3,500. Then she received a letter from a lawyer in Florida,telling her that a…

Sounds like whoever sold her the theme didn't bother with accessibility. I think laws like this are good, but at the same time they will end up pushing people to stick to larger sites like shopify or just listing on ebay/amzn to avoid all this.

Re: Supreme Court allows blind people to sue retailers if websites aren't accessible

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Despite the somewhat misleading headline, the Supreme Court didn't really say anything new here. They declined to hear Domino's appeal of the Ninth Circuit's (unanimous and clearly correctly decided) reversal of the District Court's absurd dismissal. Domino's tried to claim that their due process rights were being violated since there is no federally-mandated standard for accessibility. But the ADA is clear: business…

I'm not sure if this changed, but as I recalled, Domino's site was a Flash application with a pretty non-standard UI. Their lack of accessibility may be a consequence of that technical decision.

Dominoes also literally has a client on every platform in existence from smart tvs to smart assitants to slack.

I'm certain they can figure out a viable option with their APIs

Re: Supreme Court allows blind people to sue retailers if websites aren't accessible

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post #74

Blind programmer here. Just a glimpse of my life. Blind people have to live in an environment where X% of web sites and programs are not accessible, where X varies somewhere from 20% (for web sites) to 50% (for desktop applications). That's just my approximation of the state of accessibility these days. Now imagine that you live in the world where you don't know which printer or wi-fi router to buy, since maybe half…

Have you ever encountered any web sites that you feel went above and beyond in accessibility? I have sometimes wondered while debugging a site for accessibility concerns, fixing the nth input focus problem or what not, whether it would be preferable to actually just design an entirely separate optimized audible experience instead of forcing the user to infer the shape of a designed-for-sighted people website by tabbing all over the place. I imagine that a working implementation would roughly resemble a keyboard navigable phone menu, with the main point being that it would not necessarily correspond to the visual design, but would still offer all of the functionality expected and probably in a more efficient way. Is this a thing? Should it be a thing?

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Rather than crippling the rest of the world for the blind, why not improve the tools for them instead? Screen readers that are limited to structured inputs can't be the end-all final solution right? It would be shortsighted to set this tech in stone with legal precedents. Do we seriously want to require every blind person to be fluent in reading html/React as the default way to consume sites? We should be trying to i…

Sure, the companies involved can improve the tools. A bunch of them joined the lawsuit via briefs. If they can cooperate to fight it, they can cooperate to mitigate it by making better tools.

>The U.S. Chamber of Commerce and business groups that said they represented 500,000 restaurants and 300,000 businesses joined in an appeal urging the high court to review the 9th Circuit’s decision.

Re: Supreme Court allows blind people to sue retailers if websites aren't accessible

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Newer recaptcha uses your google account as a heuristic if you’re logged in.

A disabled person should not need to opt into a google account to be able to browse the web

Not only a disabled person...

Re: Supreme Court allows blind people to sue retailers if websites aren't accessible

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post #74

Blind programmer here. Just a glimpse of my life. Blind people have to live in an environment where X% of web sites and programs are not accessible, where X varies somewhere from 20% (for web sites) to 50% (for desktop applications). That's just my approximation of the state of accessibility these days. Now imagine that you live in the world where you don't know which printer or wi-fi router to buy, since maybe half…

I'm curious. How do you handle typos in code? Say you're working on a team, and they've got a lot of foreign devs who mis-spell words like color with o u r. Or they just mistype something and leave it... but your screenreader reads it and you hear/know how to spell it so you introduce bugs because you're using correct or localized spellings of a variable name when everywhere else in the code uses the incorrect or oth…

It isn't a mis-spell. Color is used primarily in U. S. Rest of the English speaking world uses colour.

Re: Supreme Court allows blind people to sue retailers if websites aren't accessible

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post #149

So somehow along my career I fell into accessibility dev for a while. Funny enough it was one of the most lucrative dev jobs I did and there was always plenty of work. It is easily outsourced to a remote developer because all you really need is a browser and a screen reader. In my opinion there really is no reason for even mom and pop sites to not provide even a base level of accessibility, it really is just setting…

> In my opinion there really is no reason for even mom and pop sites to not provide even a base level of accessibility, it really is just setting tab indexes in correct order, as well as making sure items have alt and title tags so that the readers can pick them up and actively describe the page. Not every disabled person is blind. It's not enough to set some tab indexes, add alt tags and call it a day. It's not a pr…

Yet in an increasingly online world, refusing to make one's site accessible is tantamount to refusing to install a ramp in place of stairs.
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