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Re: Dear Stack Exchange, Inc.

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You work as an unpaid content author for ycombinator.

That's such twisted logic. Are you saying I'm doing unpaid work for my social group when we have a conversation? Jesus Christ not everything needs a dollar symbol attached even if it benefits a company.

I think that was the point - that answering questions on SO is like having a conversation, and feels pleasant to some people, not like work.

Re: Dear Stack Exchange, Inc.

#242
post #13

Honest Question: Why continue to support stack exchange through this? They have shown themselves to be disingenuous at best. They are now profiting off free labor. They started it because ExpertsExchange was hiding answers. They rode the high horse to hypocrisy. Why continue helping people like that succeed? Why not just start a new one? Leave en masse to a new playground. Speak with your answers. Show the powers tha…

SO has so much information already, I think it would be frustrating for people to have to walk away from it and start from scratch, and a huge loss to the community (or anyone who has ever googled "how to do X in lang Y"). However when your community is built on top of a VC-funded for-profit company this is always a risk you take. Maybe the only solution is starting over with a non-profit model.

> I think it would be frustrating for people to have to walk away from it and start from scratch

All the StackExchange Q&A content is covered by a Creative Commons Attribution-Share-Alike license (CC BY-SA). You can start your own website and use all the content. The only sense in which you'd be starting over is with building the community; the existing questions and answers are free to use.

https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/333089/stack-exchan...

Re: Dear Stack Exchange, Inc.

#243
post #192

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Why do you say that?

Because given the prominence of identity as a central cultural debate, this essay comes across as tone deaf. I said it still might be because there's a tendency to judge past works by todays moral standards. For for instance, look at the twitter kerfuffle that ensued when Netflix decided to carry the old television show Friends.

Got a link to the friends issues?

Google isn't turning up anything. What was the issue with Friends?

Re: Dear Stack Exchange, Inc.

#244
I don't understand how they are not actively engaging with the community. It's going to cost them every day this is not taken care of. Key people already left, more will leave, and the damage will still be here. Even if they come back to how it was before doesn't mean everybody will come back after that like nothing happened.

Re: Dear Stack Exchange, Inc.

#245
post #237

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The folks moderating SE are very pedantic about the wording of passages. Once I called SE a "forum", and I was politely told not to call SE a "forum". I would really hate to be a person that is not very fluent in English and trying to interact with SE.

One of my latest questions got as first comment : "Please use English punctuation when writing in English." Certainly polite but a bit jarring as a non-native speaker that feels fluent. Also a bit nonsensically-bureaucratic : I made the mistake because I didn't know any better, after the comment I still couldn't correct the mistake because I still didn't know any better, I wasn't even sure what rule of punctuation I…

> ... nonsensically-bureaucratic : I ...

Maybe you put a space before a colon, and the eagle-eyed moderator spotted it :-)

(English rarely has a space before a punctuation mark — except for a dash in British usage. Americans—I think—do this.)

Re: Dear Stack Exchange, Inc.

#246
Stack exchange has had issues from the beginning with absolutely horrible people being mean aggressive and deflective, telling people they are idiots for not providing 110% of available information in their first answer. Moving to close questions as duplicates or irrelevant while the answer still hasn’t resolved anything. The site supported this because it helped promote their “one true answer high on google ranking”-value drive

It’s been an extremely toxic environment, which however was very useful for searching out answers to common questions after the fact.

Now not too long ago I thought from their public communication that they wanted to fix this, or at least make some serious headway towards reducing the toxicity and vile. But no. Instead they decided to hire the assholes and have them be assholes to the community moderators. This time over something as silly as the right to not always actively referring to people in gendered terms.

Re: Dear Stack Exchange, Inc.

#247
post #5

I suspect that the average user of SE will not care one bit about this whole drama. I do find it frustrating, puzzling, and sad how SE appears to have treated Monica Cellio. She provides an excellent summary (from her perspective) here: https://cellio.dreamwidth.org/2064709.html

I suspect you're right. I stopped participating in SE years ago not for "political" reasons like this, but because it seemed to be dominated by power-happy mods and people whose main goal was to collect points and not to help others. This kerfuffle, and I only got a little summary of it, makes my eyes glaze over. I'm certainly not against treating people with respect, but I'm not willing to stick my neck out for some…

What they did to her was wrong from my point of view, but it certainly was not 'based on pure hate'. Don't speak this exaggeration and nonsense. The person who fired her simply had no intention to spend time dealing with Monica's questions and chose the easy route of getting rid of what she perceived as a troublemaker.

Re: Dear Stack Exchange, Inc.

#248
post #118

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Thank you. There is a tendency in tech people to dismiss politics as less than important ("just politics", "just political"). It's a fundamental part of our social fabric.

Simler & Hanson provide a pretty solid explanatory framework: http://elephantinthebrain.com/

Have only read parts of that, but describing attributes to human nature mostly fails to do so and attaches them to the author instead.

No, not everything is political. From that perspective you could substitute the term politics with "battle for share", which can be political, but doesn't encompass the whole set of politics. You can even generalize that further and it gets more primitive along the way:

"Every day is a battle for survival"

Of course it is political play to attach attributes to groups and then highlighting fault lines. But it is the most primitive form of what many people call politics.

And since it doesn't accomplish anything productive, many people have the need to remove politics from platforms like SE, because they just see it as a distraction to the topic at hand and is pitting people against each other. Pronouns do that, most of the gender discussion does that and now we have also started a new discussions about racism that won't net positive results.

All because some people crave some validation? Maybe that is not always the case, but it seems that people wanted a conflict and that is what they got.

Re: Dear Stack Exchange, Inc.

#249
post #28

Shouldn’t the CTO fire the person who was directly responsible for firing Monica? Why isn’t that part of it?

because she has 46k Twitter followers and the company fears Twitter above all else

Not sure I understand - who is she that you're referring to?

Re: Dear Stack Exchange, Inc.

#250
post #247

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I suspect you're right. I stopped participating in SE years ago not for "political" reasons like this, but because it seemed to be dominated by power-happy mods and people whose main goal was to collect points and not to help others. This kerfuffle, and I only got a little summary of it, makes my eyes glaze over. I'm certainly not against treating people with respect, but I'm not willing to stick my neck out for some…

What they did to her was wrong from my point of view, but it certainly was not 'based on pure hate'. Don't speak this exaggeration and nonsense. The person who fired her simply had no intention to spend time dealing with Monica's questions and chose the easy route of getting rid of what she perceived as a troublemaker.

> What they did to her was wrong from my point of view, but it certainly was not 'based on pure hate'.

Seconding this. It was not hateful, it was just grossly intolerant.

Of course, as usual from to CoC-crowd, this great intolerance is done in the name of tolerance, and anyone who has a problem with that is "part of the problem".

Yay for internet echo-chambers and circular logic.

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