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Re: Vegan takeaway orders quadruple over past two years

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Post by phonypc »

Japhy_Ryder wrote: post #219
SomeOtherThrow wrote: post #97

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> ever notice there are never any animal-based superfoods? This must be a marketing gimmick; eating animals is very nutritious—it's just not sufficient. However, this is the same as Avacado/acai berry/whatever. I have heard milk referred to as a superfood quite a bit.

> eating animals is very nutritious—it's just not sufficient. No. It's not. I like Dr. Fuhrman's equation: H=N/C. This equation expresses the concept that your health (H) is predicted by your nutrient intake (N) divided by your calorie intake (C). There's not a lot of nutrients in meat (all you get really is protein and iron), whereas in vegetables/fruits you get a whole vast assortment of proteins, vitamins, fiber,…

>There's not a lot of nutrients in meat (all you get really is protein and iron), whereas in vegetables/fruits you get a whole vast assortment of proteins

Your whole post is ill-informed, but this is particularly nonsensical. Go look up nutrition information for any muscle meat and you'll see plenty more than just iron, to say nothing of organ meat.

Regarding protein, you get a broader amino acid profile from animals, but this doesn't really matter.

Re: Vegan takeaway orders quadruple over past two years

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Post by Japhy_Ryder »

SomeOtherThrow wrote: post #230
geddy wrote: post #190

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> I have heard milk referred to as a superfood quite a bit. Might have something to do with the billions spent on marketing meat and dairy. Pretty big industries with pretty big financial contributions to our wonderful politicians, for decades now.

While the dairy lobby is 100% real, I haven't seen anything that comes close to an analogue of dairy outside the animal kingdom. The combo of high calorie sugar, protein, and fat is pretty hard to beat without explicitly enriching the food. Even after enriching it's quite difficult to hit that calorie density and have something that you want to drink/eat. I would probably be fine with replacing it with a lighter vers…

> but the idea that we drink milk because of marketing, .. milk, is laughable.

What? "Got Milk"? Milk mustaches on famous people and athletes? Come on.

> plant "milk" lobby, on the other hand tries to trick me into buying their product every time

Au contraire! That pesky, evil, plant milk lobby! Are you really that confused when it says "soy", "milk", "oat", "almond" right before "milk"?

Re: Vegan takeaway orders quadruple over past two years

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Post by Japhy_Ryder »

phonypc wrote: post #241
Japhy_Ryder wrote: post #219

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> eating animals is very nutritious—it's just not sufficient. No. It's not. I like Dr. Fuhrman's equation: H=N/C. This equation expresses the concept that your health (H) is predicted by your nutrient intake (N) divided by your calorie intake (C). There's not a lot of nutrients in meat (all you get really is protein and iron), whereas in vegetables/fruits you get a whole vast assortment of proteins, vitamins, fiber,…

> There's not a lot of nutrients in meat (all you get really is protein and iron), whereas in vegetables/fruits you get a whole vast assortment of proteins Your whole post is ill-informed, but this is particularly nonsensical. Go look up nutrition information for any muscle meat and you'll see plenty more than just iron, to say nothing of organ meat. Regarding protein, you get a broader amino acid profile from animal…

> Your whole post is ill-informed

Yet I've cited the WHO and Dr. T. Colin Cambell, author of the China Study. Where's your evidence?

> Regarding protein, you get a broader amino acid profile from animals, but this doesn't really matter.

Completely incorrect. Soy and pea protein are very much complete proteins with balanced amino acid profiles.

How do you reconcile the environmental damage from your dietary preferences?

Re: Vegan takeaway orders quadruple over past two years

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Post by Relys »

nojvek wrote: post #237
Relys wrote: post #171

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"The question really comes down to whether or not you consider the opportunity to experience life, even a particularly difficult life, as a blessing." A life born of slavery, torture, and slaughter is not a life worth living. An animal doesn't really have the idea of a bloodline or legacy (just the primal urge to reproduce). The rationalization that a life of suffering is somehow doing the animal a favor is just asin…

I guess that's how the slaveowners thought back in the day too.

Exactly!

Re: Vegan takeaway orders quadruple over past two years

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Post by mytailorisrich »

okmokmz wrote: post #240
mytailorisrich wrote: post #222

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A vegan is someone who refuses to eat any animal products. I don't see why all traditional dishes that don't contain animals products should suddenly be labeled vegan. They are suitable for vegan people but I don't want veganism to hijack traditional cultures.

>A vegan is someone who refuses to eat any animal products Yes, that is the definition of vegan as a noun. As an adjective vegan is describing food using or containing no animal products i.e. traditional dishes that don't contain animal products are technically vegan, just like all other dishes that don't contain animal products It's absolutely not hijacking traditional culture. I'm not mandating they call that dish…

Vegan as an adjective is a new term, or at least its use has exploded. This has happened partly for political purposes to hijack aspects of culture, and partly for marketing purposes as a result of this.

Re: Vegan takeaway orders quadruple over past two years

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Post by Relys »

GeneralTspoon wrote: post #206
jonfw wrote: post #186

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I'm not much of a philsopher, but if you're at all interested in the other side of thinking I would suggest Viktor Frankl. He was a jewish person in a nazi concentration camp and he make a much stronger argument than I can for this point of view. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Frankl > After enduring the suffering in these camps, Frankl concluded that even in the most absurd, painful, and dehumanized situation,…

Not to minimize his suffering, but spending ~3 years out of his 92 year life being tortured isn't the same as a whole life of torture with no meaning or hope of escape.

Yeah, it's not like the Nazi's were breeding Jews for the express purpose of a life of slavery, torture, and slaughter.

I think comparing it is a false equivalency. Also Godwin's Law.

Re: Vegan takeaway orders quadruple over past two years

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Post by bobharris »

I'm going as veg as I can. Shooting for vegan.

Enviro concerns. Rebellion. I feel I'm healthier barring intake of Iron.

I find it less expensive as good meat is expensive. Meat imoho is hard to cook. I'm put off by slaughter and the whole idea. I feel it's one thing I can do to help the world (and prolly be a bit healthier). I have friends who have reduced too! thats cool. The idea of the amount of intake to output on a cow. Its high, there's an index for it.

Prolly gonna try go vegan (everything) Screw big corps poisoning me with mass slaughter and cruelty products. Odd ingredients I have never heard of. Who is going to pay for my double bypass or kemo? Oh......me? Call me a PETA/Hippie, whatever. I care about the future of the planet and being low impact. It feels like the right way to go about it right now. The mass consumption in the states today is pretty off-putting // disturbing.

Reduce/Recycle/Reuse. No, I do not need a new phone. This one works just fine.

Re: Vegan takeaway orders quadruple over past two years

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Post by [deleted] »

saagarjha wrote: post #231
povertyworld wrote: post #82

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Have vegans given up their cars yet? Veganism is a nice gesture, but really vegans need to step it up and ditch the cars if they care about the Earth.

They're doing a lot better than the people who eat meat and have cars.

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Re: Vegan takeaway orders quadruple over past two years

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Post by cferr »

phonypc wrote: post #185
zeveb wrote: post #170

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Meat is remarkably easy to cook: apply heat to meat, done. Vegetables take preparation, require more-complex treatment, need to be managed well (I have no problem eating a quick meal of just a steak or chicken breast; I really would hate eating a quick meal of only carrots or just onions). Meat's convenient in a way that vegetables aren't.

This is the opposite of reality in my experience. Most vegetables can be quickly steamed, boiled, stir fried etc. Legumes or tubers take longer, but require little active participation. Meat on the other hand is greatly benefited by things like marination, mechanical tenderizing, monitoring temperature as it cooks. You can whip up a steak pretty quick, but probably not any faster than you could stir fry some veggies.

If we're talking steak in particular, it's going to be faster than any palatable vegetable based dish every time. Total cook time is about five minutes, and prep is less than a minute.

Also in particular, stir frying isn't a great example of a vegetable preparation which is fast. Prep is usually at least twice the amount of time as the frying.

Peanut butter celery sticks would be a better example I think.

Re: Vegan takeaway orders quadruple over past two years

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Post by SomeOtherThrow »

Japhy_Ryder wrote: post #242
SomeOtherThrow wrote: post #230

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While the dairy lobby is 100% real, I haven't seen anything that comes close to an analogue of dairy outside the animal kingdom. The combo of high calorie sugar, protein, and fat is pretty hard to beat without explicitly enriching the food. Even after enriching it's quite difficult to hit that calorie density and have something that you want to drink/eat. I would probably be fine with replacing it with a lighter vers…

> but the idea that we drink milk because of marketing, .. milk, is laughable. What? "Got Milk"? Milk mustaches on famous people and athletes? Come on. > plant "milk" lobby, on the other hand tries to trick me into buying their product every time Au contraire! That pesky, evil, plant milk lobby! Are you really that confused when it says "soy", "milk", "oat", "almond" right before "milk"?

> What? "Got Milk"? Milk mustaches on famous people and athletes? Come on.

So—you're saying NOBODY would drink milk if they stopped advertising after THOUSANDS OF YEARS of drinking it as adults (true with my genes!) and MILLIONS OF YEARS of juvenile mammalian existence? Extent is not the same as the sole cause. I drink milk because it makes me nostalgic for my childhood and hey, it's calories, baby! In any case, you conveniently cut out the meat of the sentence when you quoted me—milk advertises itself by being highly nutritious, which is less true of plant-based milks, which you typically gravitate to because you want milk but can't have it for reason X.

> Are you really that confused when it says "soy", "milk", "oat", "almond" right before "milk"?

It's actually rarely obvious in my experience, especially when they place e.g. Silk next to dairy. I've accidentally bought plant-based milk twice because I didn't recognize the brand and the plant-based nature was not emphasized on the packaging. This feels very intentional to me.

Partially related: I don't think I've seen a milk advertisement in years. Are they spending less or am I just avoiding the areas they're targeting (notably: video ads/). I swear I used to see them on billboards all the time. Maybe SF is just an expensive market to advertise to....

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