I ordered more than 1000 parcels from AliExpress, banggoods, gearbest and hobbyking. Never ever I had to pay import duty costs (Netherlands) and in most cases shipment was either free or a redicilous low amount. If everyone would be like me, no store would exist anymore here in Holland. Even though I am a bit of a hypocrite, I do think it's fair to make the market a bit more fair.
No More Cheap Shipping for Chinese Sellers
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Re: No More Cheap Shipping for Chinese Sellers
#242Earlier quoted context omitted.
Pretty much. I absolutely fucking hate Amazon now. It's full of white label products. You can tell the seller does no real safety testing of any kind from their broad array of random shit. You can't even trust the kitchen equipment for chance they made the steel with lead or the silicone is mixed with something toxic, etc. Completely unregulated market place of stupid. And this is on top of Amazon's counterfeit probl…
> I absolutely fucking hate Amazon now. It's full of white label products. So is Walmart and Dollar General. It's always been the customer's responsibility to buy the product they want, not the store's. Don't want counterfeit crap? Don't buy IFONE FROM APPEL in the listings. I don't know when the last time I got counterfeit crap from amazon is because I look at what I buy before I buy it.
I wouldn't blame the consumer on this. Retailers are responsible for the things they sell. That includes if it's low quality or if it says it's something that it isn't (counterfeit etc).
Also hosting fake reviews etc is also something they are responsible for.
Re: No More Cheap Shipping for Chinese Sellers
#243The impression I get from that thread is that the dream here is now Americans can do what they do best, sit in the middle of transactions and collect rent. Previously, you could go to a Chinese website and have the Chinese factory send you a widget directly to your door. Now that will be too expensive, but hey we have a solution! An American will order a bunch of widgets in bulk, ship them over in a cargo ship, come…
You are missing out the bit where you ordered the widget from China and then the US tax payers subsidised the Chinese companies delivery cost. All that is happening is that subsidy is being removed.
Yes you either pay for the shipping or you pay the middle man. It's much cheaper for the consumer to subsidize the shipping than it is for the consumer to subsidize the middle man.
I expect going forward Alibaba will open warehouses all over the US which their sellers can stock with goods which can then be shipped domestically for about the same cost. I doubt Alibaba will just go away.
Re: No More Cheap Shipping for Chinese Sellers
#244Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm not sure that "mistaking" is the right word. For years the United States has protested the cheap UPU rates that China gets. But the UPU still classifies it as a "developing" nation. China is the world's second-largest economy. It doesn't need or deserve the artificially cheap rates anymore. China shouldn't pay less to send packages overseas than countries in Africa. By leaving the UPU, the United States can set c…
When does China claim to be a developed nation? Also, is there any reasonable metric by which China is not a developing economy?
is there any reasonable metric by which China is not a developing economy?
Here's one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nomi...
Here's another: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)
Re: No More Cheap Shipping for Chinese Sellers
#245Earlier quoted context omitted.
Pretty much. I absolutely fucking hate Amazon now. It's full of white label products. You can tell the seller does no real safety testing of any kind from their broad array of random shit. You can't even trust the kitchen equipment for chance they made the steel with lead or the silicone is mixed with something toxic, etc. Completely unregulated market place of stupid. And this is on top of Amazon's counterfeit probl…
I work in automotive parts (ASE Parts Specialist Cert.) and Amazon carries all the same substandard automotive goods Autozone and the other Mexican car parts stores have. Valuecarft line is dangerous Mexican made remans, duralast same crap. Most the time you go to one these Mexican car parts stores to get hard parts your getting something marked up 200% and searching it on amazon gets you same identical part. Your ri…
So where should I be buying my automotive car parts?
Re: No More Cheap Shipping for Chinese Sellers
#246Earlier quoted context omitted.
You are missing out the bit where you ordered the widget from China and then the US tax payers subsidised the Chinese companies delivery cost. All that is happening is that subsidy is being removed.
Yes you either pay for the shipping or you pay the middle man. It's much cheaper for the consumer to subsidize the shipping than it is for the consumer to subsidize the middle man. I expect going forward Alibaba will open warehouses all over the US which their sellers can stock with goods which can then be shipped domestically for about the same cost. I doubt Alibaba will just go away.
Or, you buy from a different source.
If cheap crap x from China has a moderately expensive source alternative from the USA and stopping subsidising the transportation costs from China makes the moderately expensive option price viable then that's good for the USA supplier without any middlemen being involved.
Re: No More Cheap Shipping for Chinese Sellers
#247The impression I get from that thread is that the dream here is now Americans can do what they do best, sit in the middle of transactions and collect rent. Previously, you could go to a Chinese website and have the Chinese factory send you a widget directly to your door. Now that will be too expensive, but hey we have a solution! An American will order a bunch of widgets in bulk, ship them over in a cargo ship, come…
Yes and no. Essentially this is already happening, except they are drop-shipping you the product for next to nothing direct from China. In fact, there is a small industry that revolves around this business model. The barrier of entry has just risen dramatically with this news.
https://www.shopify.com/guides/dropshipping
There are thousands of small drop-shipping businesses based in North America that depend on cheap postal service from China. Excuse me while I go short Shopify stock.
Re: No More Cheap Shipping for Chinese Sellers
#248The impression I get from that thread is that the dream here is now Americans can do what they do best, sit in the middle of transactions and collect rent. Previously, you could go to a Chinese website and have the Chinese factory send you a widget directly to your door. Now that will be too expensive, but hey we have a solution! An American will order a bunch of widgets in bulk, ship them over in a cargo ship, come…
Americans: Basically invent the modern internet including just about every major service and store.
Non-Americans: AMERICANS ARE ONLY GOOD AT COLLECTING RENT, AMIRITE?
Oof owie I forgot Silicon Valley was in Europe.
Re: No More Cheap Shipping for Chinese Sellers
#249Earlier quoted context omitted.
It’s just not going to be a boon to US drop-shippers, the Chinese ones will still have a lower cost of operations by dealing direct and almost 100% Chinese labour costs.
I think most will agree that is a "fair" competitive advantage. What myself and I think most find problematic is that the USPS is actually subsidizing Chinese packages inbound to the US, to the point where its somehow cheaper to send from China than domestically. That may have made sense at some point when China was still in its embryonic phase of development, but they are well past the point where this is necessary…
The fact it went on this long is the confusing part to me. Why didn't anybody come and say "Hey! This is weird. Let's stop this" before 2016?
Re: No More Cheap Shipping for Chinese Sellers
#250Earlier quoted context omitted.
I work in automotive parts (ASE Parts Specialist Cert.) and Amazon carries all the same substandard automotive goods Autozone and the other Mexican car parts stores have. Valuecarft line is dangerous Mexican made remans, duralast same crap. Most the time you go to one these Mexican car parts stores to get hard parts your getting something marked up 200% and searching it on amazon gets you same identical part. Your ri…
So where should I be buying my automotive car parts?
I like RockAuto. But since I had a bad run-in with a supposedly-quality oil pan for an Aisin transmission, I've increasingly been using OEM. Like, from the local dealers. But, there's always things like brake calipers from TRW which are identical to the VW-branded ones (but far cheaper). Anyway, I avoid Dorman and a whole host of other parts manufacturers. If I need to get it done in one day, OEM helps...