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Lambda School fined $75k by CA for operating without state approval [pdf]

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I'll comment after we're done with it, don't want to complicate it while we're still in the middle of it.

I think it would be interesting to know how much you feel this process has influenced the actual curriculum and delivery methods. The last thing we need right now is a regulatory approval process creating some kind of pedagogical monoculture that doesn't allow us to explore new ways of educating folks young and old. There are certainly risks involved with deviating from the norm, but there are undoubtedly rewards wai…

Not at all. We have to take what we're currently doing and try to retrofit it to what regulators are expecting.

I don’t think (for us) this process have improved the school at all.

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Looking at the text of the fine, you can't charge money to teach people things ("offer education" in their parlence) in a physical location without state approval. Could that be any more broad? Education is often just verbal and written communication between people. Seems like a first amendment violation.

So would private tutoring be technically illegal in CA?

> So would private tutoring be technically illegal in CA?

No, the law at issue (as stated in the document mischaracterized upthread) restricts only “private postsecondary education”.

The applicable definition of “postsecondary education” is at Cal.Ed.Code § 94857:

“Postsecondary education” means a formal institutional educational program whose curriculum is designed primarily for students who have completed or terminated their secondary education or are beyond the compulsory age of secondary education, including programs whose purpose is academic, vocational, or continuing professional education.

https://codes.findlaw.com/ca/education-code/edc-sect-94857.h...

Private tutoring is not within it's scope (private tutoring at the elementary/secondary level that is used as an alternative to mandatory schooling or parent howmschooling is regulated in CA by a different law, but that's only when it is taking the place of mandatory schooling, not supplementing it or serving unrelated functions.)

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When the government makes you waste a a day filling out paperwork to prove that your dog food doesn’t contain human remains, don’t blame the regulators. Blame the guy before you who made a buck by vertically integrating his cannery and his morgue.

A long time ago, I worked in defense. Our design engineers had to fill out government paperwork (many pages) that provided an estimate for how long the rest of the government paperwork would take.

sounds like rocket equation to me, you carry mass that helps you carry mass that helps you carry mass...

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> there's already likely a litany of felonies involved in turning a person into dog food yes, it's a felony because of regulation, made by... regulators

Theft is also forbidden by regulation, but thankfully I don't have to file daily reports yet to Theft-Prevention Agency listing all the things that I handled but not stolen today.

You don't, but banks and pawn shops do.

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Looking at the text of the fine, you can't charge money to teach people things ("offer education" in their parlence) in a physical location without state approval. Could that be any more broad? Education is often just verbal and written communication between people. Seems like a first amendment violation.

>you can't charge money to teach people things [...] >Seems like a first amendment violation. The key phrase here is charging money. Commercial speech has always been more strictly regulated than other forms of speech.

This isn't a regulation of commercial speech but a regulation of commerce where part of what is traded might be speech. Of course, the government can do that fairly broadly, too.

The government can often regulate selling things in ways that it could not Constitutionally regulate the thing being sold outside of commerce.

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Or have one page with a single checkbox that says "I understand it is illegal to use human remains in dog food"

Regulation isn't about informing people what the rules are, it's about people proving they are following the rules.

It's both. The level of paperwork depends on the risk profile.

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25 lbs of paperwork to register an online school? Sounds less about protecting students and more towards protecting incumbents and cronies.

When the government makes you waste a a day filling out paperwork to prove that your dog food doesn’t contain human remains, don’t blame the regulators. Blame the guy before you who made a buck by vertically integrating his cannery and his morgue.

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> there's already likely a litany of felonies involved in turning a person into dog food yes, it's a felony because of regulation, made by... regulators

Theft is also forbidden by regulation, but thankfully I don't have to file daily reports yet to Theft-Prevention Agency listing all the things that I handled but not stolen today.

Theft is not forbidden by regulation, it's forbidden by laws.

What's the difference? Laws are written by legislators, i.e., the elected representatives. Regulations are written by agencies created and empowered by laws to oversee certain parts of the government/governmental functions.

Regulators work largely by requiring reports because most agencies don't have criminal enforcement powers, and thus can act only on the basis of what is (or isn't) reported...

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Yeah, I also wouldn't want my kids to grow up in a world where someone could exchange knowledge for money without a license, but this is ridiculous.

I do mean this completely naively, as I was not even aware that "exchanging knowledge for money" required a license before this, but why do you feel this way? I'm so shocked that this isn't simply about certification (aka, you can't give out some sort of officially accepted slip of paper without a license, which I would at least be able to come up with arguments for), that I am really curious as to how this is an iss…

Sorry, I was being sarcastic and I think we're in agreement. I think it's pretty sad that the OP suggested it should be regulated (but I also suspect they only said that because they run a business and can't really say anything political). It's clear from the replies however that many people agree with what he said though.

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That amount of paperwork sounds for a lack of a better word – insane. I can't see it being easy for any side of this quantity of paperwork being able to get it right easily. Perhaps there is an opportunity for some start-up to help solve this. -- On a different note, I love what you folks are doing and keep pitching lambda to folks who're stuck in long uber/lyft rides with me.

We’re lucky enough to have enough time/money to assign people to it full-time. I don’t know how a small school would comply.

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