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Re: How is it like to be a dev in Iran

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Post by mohas »

Ayesh wrote: post #141
strooper wrote: post #50

Dear Iranian devs, let's learn to take advantage of the situation instead of complaining about it. Why not learn from the devs in China?! To my knowledge, China blocks no less online service than Iran. China monitors citizens' online activities in ways that very few other countries can. Yet their internet services flourish and engage users in ways nowhere else is seen. Let's build/clone fancy/popular services locally…

This was heavily downvoted, but I think this can be an opportunity as well. I am preparing to go to Iran and of this year to travel, and I have been researching about a lot of things. I was fascinated to learn about Daric Pay, an internal payment network that is trying to replace Visa/master.

please don't come if you are from UK or US

Re: How is it like to be a dev in Iran

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Post by gdy »

_ptgt wrote: post #124
askmike wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just wondering but: > I work for a US company that routinely has to deal with cyber attacks by Iranian professionals, probably government sponsored. The full article is about services blocking IPs from Iran (and how it's effecting him as a dev). I don't see what cyber attacks have to do with anything? Or do you think these IP bans are a defense against cyber attacks? All countries do cyber attacks, most countries in…

>Not to get all political but I think it's pretty clear that the US is the only western country not liking Iran, and they use their influence to have the whole world obey US sanctions. You expecting OP to raise against their government? I say odds of succeeding are slimmer than storming Area 51. This isn't exactly true. The EU is opposed to Iran's aggressive policies in the region (e.g. in Yemen, Syria, and now Hormu…

So you think Iran will use ballistic missile against the EU because... what? Because Iran gets money from the EU in exchange for oil?

Re: How is it like to be a dev in Iran

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Post by stale2002 »

Assadi wrote: post #236
stale2002 wrote: post #229

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This thread is about Iran. You can criticize other nations if you feel like it. That doesn't change the true fact that Iran does indeed funding militant groups that kill lots of people, and therefore the "Oh, boo hoo, Iran is being targeted because they refuse to tow the line" thing is silly. That is my only point. That it is silly to play the sympathy card when we are discussing funding militant groups.

I don't think it is that silly. The governments of the West are totally chill with regimes that are just as brutal, if not more brutal, than Iran, like Saudi Arabia. The difference really is mostly just "which side are you on".

"But another brutal theocracy is able to get away with stuff that is just as bad!" isn't a particularly convincing argument for why we should allow a different brutal theocracy to also get away with bad stuff.

Feel free to argue that other bad governments that do bad things, should also be sanctioned or stopped in some way. That does not change the true fact Iran does indeed fund militant groups, and that this is a good justification for opposing them.

In my world more bad countries are targeted with economic sanctions, where in your world, less of them are opposed and they are able to get away with the bad things that that do. See the difference?

Re: How is it like to be a dev in Iran

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Post by jussij »

stale2002 wrote: post #191
knowThySelfx wrote: post #184

I do not know how others feel. But I feel resentment towards embargoes (and calling their poodle countries to follow suite) placed on other countries just because they don't tow your line. Going to Iran's backyard and threatening them and then cry when they retaliate (a pretext to start war)...its so...pathetic. In fact most of the 20th century wars were started using this kind of baiting.

> just because they don't tow your line. Let's be specific what we are talking about here. We are talking about a country funding lots of militant groups that kill lots of people. So, let's rephrase your original statement to instead say "just because they continue to fund militant groups that kill lots of people". Rephrased that way, your original comment does not sounds so reasonable.

The problem is the report that Iran is a country funding lots of militant groups comes out of the USA and it's recent actions means it has lost all credibility.

Just in recent times we have seen the USA spy on it's own nationals (NSA) and invade a country based on a lies (WMD in Iraq).

The USA also has a long history of propping up murderous dictators (MBS just the most recent) and it now has a president who loves being photographed with tyrants like Kim Jong-un and Vladimir Putin.

So while the claims being made might even be true, because these are USA claims the statements needs to be taken with a grain of salt.

Re: How is it like to be a dev in Iran

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Post by gdy »

mc32 wrote: post #126
h0l0cube wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I work for a US company that routinely has to deal with cyber attacks by Iranian professionals, probably government sponsored. It's hard to posit a moral high-ground here, when basically every state is actively seeking to undermine the others' cyber security, including the US. Stuxnet is one of the most formidable state-sponsored cyber security exploits, and that was targeted at Iran, it seems easy justification to…

Do you think Russian efforts on this same front are a result of US policies? Should those policies change, stay the same or something else?

Most certainly.

See 'Prevent re-emergence of a new rival (1992)'[0] and 'From Lisbon to Vladivostok: Putin Envisions a Russia-EU Free Trade Zone (2010)'[1].

Can't let that happen, can you.

[0] https://www.nytimes.com/1992/03/08/world/excerpts-from-penta...

[1] https://m.spiegel.de/international/europe/from-lisbon-to-vla...

Re: How is it like to be a dev in Iran

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Post by Assadi »

stale2002 wrote: post #243
Assadi wrote: post #236

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think it is that silly. The governments of the West are totally chill with regimes that are just as brutal, if not more brutal, than Iran, like Saudi Arabia. The difference really is mostly just "which side are you on".

"But another brutal theocracy is able to get away with stuff that is just as bad!" isn't a particularly convincing argument for why we should allow a different brutal theocracy to also get away with bad stuff. Feel free to argue that other bad governments that do bad things, should also be sanctioned or stopped in some way. That does not change the true fact Iran does indeed fund militant groups, and that this is a g…

I am not saying that either Iran or Saudi Arabia should be able to X, Y or Z. I'm not going for a "the Saudis do it so Iran should too" argument. Rather, I am simply saying that the sanctions themselves are just an imperialist American power move.

Again, it's not actually about whether Iran is good or bad. If it was simply about good VS evil, nobody would be standing idly as the Saudis yeet missiles into Yemeni civilians.

The sanctions are a joke. It is all about American political agenda.

Re: How is it like to be a dev in Iran

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Post by gdy »

entropy_ wrote: post #240
barry-cotter wrote: post #173

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Given the choice between a government that poses no threat to it but is illiberal and any possibility of a liberal government the US always opts to harm the illiberal government. Libya complied with all arms control treaties and is buddy buddy with Italy. Doesn’t matter, as soon as someone whispers democracy the US does their level best to fan the flames of war. There’s an authoritarian democratically elected governm…

This particular position baffles me, especially since we're discussing Iran here. Iran had a liberal democratic government and the US toppled it(because they dared try to take control of their own oil reserves) in favor of a military coup and a dictator. That dictatorship then proceeded to radicalize the population through oppression which led to a revolution and the installation of a theocratic anti-US government in…

"Do note, I'm not in any way condemning the US for the way they tend to act around the world, they're just looking out for themselves."

So did the Nazi Germany.

Re: How is it like to be a dev in Iran

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Post by mrweasel »

reilly3000 wrote: post #162

There are full data sets out there of stack overflow and Wikipedia, etc. After reading this I’d love to get that in the hands of more Iranians and others. It’s most likely not illegal to deliver the actual data as long as its not via the web.

One of his complaints is that they can't even reach Docker docs and just a few minutes ago I ran into an issue where Ubuntu didn't have a manual page for a build in command. We have been so accustomed to having access to the internet all the time that systems no long ship with the required documentation.

If more tools actually shipped with complete documentation, then the Iranian developers life would be just a little easier. I would imagine that they have access to Docker, via mirrors, so why isn't the entire Docker documentation just included.

Re: How is it like to be a dev in Iran

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Post by tsukikage »

stale2002 wrote: post #243
Assadi wrote: post #236

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think it is that silly. The governments of the West are totally chill with regimes that are just as brutal, if not more brutal, than Iran, like Saudi Arabia. The difference really is mostly just "which side are you on".

"But another brutal theocracy is able to get away with stuff that is just as bad!" isn't a particularly convincing argument for why we should allow a different brutal theocracy to also get away with bad stuff. Feel free to argue that other bad governments that do bad things, should also be sanctioned or stopped in some way. That does not change the true fact Iran does indeed fund militant groups, and that this is a g…

The problem is with how we decide which are the "bad" countries. If both "good" and "bad" countries fund militant groups, anyone who tells you that this is how they distinguish between them is lying.

Re: How is it like to be a dev in Iran

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Post by flyinglizard »

I’m always caught by surprise when I see intelligent, educated people ignore the nature and actions of Iran to justify their adversarial feelings towards the US administration.

Iran is on an unprecedented aggressive and violent push towards dominating the Middle East.

They are deployed in Syria, building forward bases to threaten Israel, destabilize Lebanon and pushing it closer to another war with Israel by funding and arming Hezbollah.

They are sponsoring and arming Shiite militias in Iraq and provide them with ballistic missiles to threaten other Middle East countries.

They are supporting and funding the Houthis in Yemen who are responsible for the civil war and attacks on Saudi Arabia and Gulf states. They are supporting, funding and arming Hamas and Islamic Jihad in Gaza, both of which are recognized terrorist groups intent on murdering Jews.

They are responsible for historical attacks on US forces in Lebanon during the 80s which killed hundreds of Americans. They are later responsible for the attack on the Jewish community in Argentina in the early 90s. Lately multiple Iranian operative cells have been exposed in Europe, trying to engage in assassinations.

They are bullying Gulf states. They are calling for the destruction of Israel every few weeks.

Iran is developing a ballistic missile program which is intended to threaten Western Europe (they are up to 4000km in range now with their latest missiles).

Finally, Iran hangs gays from cranes.

Now, why would anyone in their right mind oppose sanctioning this country?

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