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Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

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Post by appleiigs »

untog wrote: post #215
aleem wrote: post #188

Apple has squandered a lot of its goodwill. It reminds me of my relationship with Microsoft products. As long as they were shipping, they were making money in the short term because people were coerced to buy in. For 5 damn years the Air didn't get a Retina display. Right now, I can't buy 2.8Ghz Macbook Pro unless I get the TouchBar. I can't buy an Air unless I settle for much lower specs. The dongles and USB-C are a…

I'm conflicted about the power adapter. I miss Magsafe. But I don't miss paying ~$80 when I (admittedly, stupidly) forget my charger on a trip. I can buy a $30 USB power brick, and then a USB C extension cable for a couple of dollars if I need a longer cable. My dream is a Magsafe cable. USB C on both ends, magnetic connector in the middle (or near one end). Best of both worlds. But Apple wouldn't be able to charge $…

Apple could have kept magsafe and added USB C. Didn't have to get rid of magsafe.

Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

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Post by peeters »

tzakrajs wrote: post #222

I’m a tiny bit upset. I really liked the keys becoming lower profile. I don’t get any joy out of expending extra energy depressing buttons. For example, mechanical keyboards give me extreme RSI wrist pain from straining to push down all of the switches. Secretly I was hoping Apple would create a haptic capacitive touch keyboard with a display behind it.

Is it possible you were thinking you had to bottom out the keys on a mechanical keyboard? Good switches have a fairly long travel, but it's important to note they're not designed to be bottomed out, they're designed to be pushed to the activation point and then released. Where that activation point is may be harder to detect on some switches, but "clicky" switches like Cherry Blues have a strong tactile indicator.

Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

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Post by cptskippy »

mciancia wrote: post #208
aleem wrote: post #188

Apple has squandered a lot of its goodwill. It reminds me of my relationship with Microsoft products. As long as they were shipping, they were making money in the short term because people were coerced to buy in. For 5 damn years the Air didn't get a Retina display. Right now, I can't buy 2.8Ghz Macbook Pro unless I get the TouchBar. I can't buy an Air unless I settle for much lower specs. The dongles and USB-C are a…

You can get cables longer than 2m. I have 4m usb-c cable for charging my computer. And as for dongles, most people will need only one. And it's not like with other computers you don't need any dongles. Lottery with display connectors was always PITA (vga, hdmi, mini hdmi, micro hdmi, displayport, minidisplayport, dvi, mini-dvi). Having usb-c for that should finally solve this in some time.

I don't have a newer Mac and I still have a box full of adapters.

MicroHDMI-to-HDMI, MiniHDMI-to-HDMI, DisplayPort-to-HDMI, DisplayPort-to-VGA, DisplayPort-to-DVI, HDMI-to-DVI, USB-to-MiniUSB, USB-to-MicroUSB, Mini-to-MicroUSB...

Then there are the Flash Memory readers...

Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

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Post by pier25 »

parasubvert wrote: post #206
aleem wrote: post #188

Apple has squandered a lot of its goodwill. It reminds me of my relationship with Microsoft products. As long as they were shipping, they were making money in the short term because people were coerced to buy in. For 5 damn years the Air didn't get a Retina display. Right now, I can't buy 2.8Ghz Macbook Pro unless I get the TouchBar. I can't buy an Air unless I settle for much lower specs. The dongles and USB-C are a…

See, I use a retina MBP touchbar and really don't agree. Apple has made some missteps but it's still the best pro laptop for my uses. Over two years with one replaced keyboard (because I spilled wine on it!) and no sticking keys. USB-C is awesome. I can reuse all my 3rd party and Apple adapters for my USB-C peripherals, including tablets and the Nintendo Switch. In retrospect, Magsafe wasn't that great (comes off too…

> They're obsolete.

That is simply false.

The biggest mice and keyboard manufacturers still ship with USB-A cables.

Even Apple itself ships its mice and keyboards with USB-A cables.

Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

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Post by bigwheeler »

Tepix wrote: post #141
dominostars wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m still using my 2012 MacBook Pro desperately hoping they release a new 15-inch line without the Touch Bar. I had bought a MacBook pro with the Touch Bar and after a few weeks I just hated it more and more and returned it. I’m still mad about them ditching MagSafe but I can get over that at least.

Same here with the Macbook Pro 2012. I upgraded its SSD cheaply using a mSATA adapter, something that's not possible with more recent models. I don't see how this lack of upgradability meets the needs of "Pro" users.

Same here. I’m sticking with 2012 until Apple makes a MBP at least as good as it, from a usability and reliability perspective.

Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

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Post by EGreg »

parasubvert wrote: post #235
lstamour wrote: post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

USB-C has lots of advantages, but it took 2-3 dark years before we started seeing commonly available peripherals that take advantage of the built-in protocols such as driver-less USB-C Ethernet adapters. I think USB-C on the iPad Pro and various phones has done more to turn USB-C into a viable standard than putting it on the laptops, since pros would obviously prefer existing and new Thunderbolt devices to USB-C devi…

I found the Magsafe adapter cords would fray, corrode, and blacken pretty easily, becoming a fire hazard. Every Macbook I owned, I would need at least one replacement over a 3 year period. The amount of time taken to re-plugin it in vs. times it saved my laptop from flying, really it was an overrated feature. USB-C comes out easily enough. Don't get me wrong, I liked Magsafe. But I don't understand the passion for it…

Apple is known for touting things that it ships like they’re the next sliced bread, and then promptly forgetting them or even saying the opposite:

MagSafe: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2WknqkDzLTQ

Phones for single hand operation: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=O99m7lebirE

Mac App Store: https://www.macworld.com/article/1160331/WWDC_mac_app_store....

Steve Jobs used to constantly claim that Mac’s RISC processors were much faster than Intel, until the day Mac adopted Intel, then without blinking he said they are now much faster and never looked back.

That is salesmanship on a large scale. I thought Steve Jobs was the king of spin (ie convincing people of bullshit) until I saw Donald Trump run for President, and realized that you unlock a whole other level when you do this:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4f_oxZqD6wQ

Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

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Post by hownottowrite »

My late 2017 MacBook Pro just started exhibiting signs of the butterfly effect. Not looking forward to giving up the machine for a couple days only to have it fail again. For me, the touchbar is also useless except as an annoying feature that tries to reactivate Siri or suddenly creates a new document when I overkey. Such a poor design.

It’s sad because other than the fact that I hate it I actually love the machine.

Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

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Post by thiht »

mschuster91 wrote: post #136
thiht wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's wrong with usb c ?

Most stuff people use USB for still have the good old USB-A adapters: mice, keyboards, USB sticks/other drives, card readers, LTE dongles. The things that actually need the massive speed benefits from USB-C (10G network adapters and PCIe enclosures) can have USB-C, fine with me, but please don't force users to buy and especially lose adapters just to be able to use their existing stuff. And no need to make shit ever…

So nothing's wrong with USB-C. The problem is the lack of USB-A.

Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

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Post by LeonM »

aleem wrote: post #188

Apple has squandered a lot of its goodwill. It reminds me of my relationship with Microsoft products. As long as they were shipping, they were making money in the short term because people were coerced to buy in. For 5 damn years the Air didn't get a Retina display. Right now, I can't buy 2.8Ghz Macbook Pro unless I get the TouchBar. I can't buy an Air unless I settle for much lower specs. The dongles and USB-C are a…

People should really stop complaining about the dongle situation.

Just about any portable device can be bought with USB-C or wireless. For fixed desk hardware (keyboard, mouse, monitor, ethernet) you should use a TB dock anyway.

Yes, if you do presentations you probably need a dongle for the projector, but that has always been a mess anyway (VGA, HDMI, DP, DVI, it's never the same connection as your laptop).

Yes, if you use a camera you'll need an external SD card reader, but you'll need that for many other computers too.

Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

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Post by MrMorden »

kossae wrote: post #8
submeta wrote: post #4

Finally! It took four years to admit there is something wrong. And one more year to change upcoming laptops. - It‘s unbelievable how this crap could be released. Coming from a ThinkPad to a MBP in 2015 I was even disappointed by the keyboard of the MBP 2015. Then switching to a MBP 2018 I was shocked how much worse things could get (for the sake of thinness?)

What’s wrong with the 2015? That’s the last good version of the keyboard IMO.

The last Apple laptop with a keyboard of similar quality to current ThinkPads was the G4 AlBook (2003).
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