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Brave Improves Its Ad-Blocker Performance with New Engine in Rust

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Re: Brave Improves Its Ad-Blocker Performance with New Engine in Rust

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People need to stop with this argument. Chromium might be open source, but it's still Google who decides what get merged. And yes, people can fork, do their own patches, fixes, but if it deviates too much from Google, you'll end up with a new browser to maintain on your end without a team the size of Google. If all theses teams choose to not implement their own browser, it's for a reason: a web browser is a complex p…

I don't understand why you think this means that Google can easily kill all Chrome clones in one funny day .

Blacklist their user agents/fingerprints from all Google services (usually by citing some security concern).

Edit: sure, there's perhaps 1% of alt-browser users who actively avoid all Google's services, but rest actually depend on them...

Re: Brave Improves Its Ad-Blocker Performance with New Engine in Rust

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I disagree. OS certificate stores often come with the political baggage of the OS manufacturer. When a Chinese Gov't CA was found to have engaged in fraudulent behavior [0] Google and Firefox were quick to revoke/remove the CA cert from their products. Apple and Microsoft did not do the same, likely because they do not want to upset the Chinese Gov't. (IIRC Iphone users cannot even manually revoke CA's on their own p…

Then FireFox has made the deliberate choice of excluding millions of users. There are millions of users who use identity management solutions where user-certs and priv-keys are put into the OS store of their devices. Using the OS secure-store should be a preference option. The folks who don't want to use the "political baggage" of the OS manufacturer - as you put it - can continue to use their pristine gardens.

I've never used this personally, but it is a preference option?

https://serverfault.com/questions/722563/how-to-make-firefox...

Or am I totally misunderstanding this and that's something totally different?

Re: Brave Improves Its Ad-Blocker Performance with New Engine in Rust

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Switched from Firefox to Brave in the last year across devices and not looking back (though I do miss containers!). Blocking ads and trackers by default is pretty much essential in 2019. The myth about ad replacement doesn't seem to want to die though! There is no ad replacement, though the roadmap says at some time in the future publishers who opt-in will have the option to have their ad-slots filled by Brave's priv…

"Blocking ads and trackers by default is pretty much essential in 2019." How is it better than a choice of plug-ins to block them?

I've never understood this either. I think a deep dive into add blocking as we enter web3.0 makes sense. Granularity is missing in the new "browser wars"

Re: Brave Improves Its Ad-Blocker Performance with New Engine in Rust

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People need to stop with this argument. Chromium might be open source, but it's still Google who decides what get merged. And yes, people can fork, do their own patches, fixes, but if it deviates too much from Google, you'll end up with a new browser to maintain on your end without a team the size of Google. If all theses teams choose to not implement their own browser, it's for a reason: a web browser is a complex p…

I think Edge is good for Chromium. That puts Microsoft as a stakeholder there too, which takes power away from Google. If Apple were to move to a chromium-backed Safari, that would mean that three major players would be stakeholders in Chromium having a sane future. This means that if you send a meaningful patch, Google doesn't like it, but Microsoft and Apple do, it might get merged.

I kinda agree that we don't need myriad of browsers. OS and CPU duopoly seems to be kinda ok. But for something that's _supposed to_ be universal it makes no sense to encourage fragmentation...

> chromium-backed Safari

Double whammy. Chromium runs on fork of WebKit which is Safari's engine.

Re: Brave Improves Its Ad-Blocker Performance with New Engine in Rust

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It feels to me like this could be legislated based on profiting on others' copyright. The issue here is one party making money, without consent of any form, based on another party's published materials.

The web server freely provides that content, it's not like the browser is stealing it. If they really want to protect their content, they can put it behind a paywall. It shouldn't be illegal to not request certain parts of a site, and it shouldn't be illegal to choose not to render parts of a page. What should be illegal is taking credit for copyrighted material, and that's not what going on.

I think it should be illegal to profit from showing other people's work neigh verbatim. For example, taking their content, stripping out some stuff, and placing ads there.

The issue here, as opposed to just stripping ads, is that a totally unrelated party is making money with ads.

Re: Brave Improves Its Ad-Blocker Performance with New Engine in Rust

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It feels to me like this could be legislated based on profiting on others' copyright. The issue here is one party making money, without consent of any form, based on another party's published materials.

> The issue here is one party making money, without consent of any form, based on another party's published materials. So, google’s search engine business?

There is at least an opt out to Google, there is some benefit to showing up on Google search, and there is a significant transformative action both in aggregating and summarizing, and in providing web-pages based on a keyword search.

That said, there is an argument to be made here. One that's included in the disputed EU copyright directive in the 'link tax'.

Re: Brave Improves Its Ad-Blocker Performance with New Engine in Rust

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It's sad how, although I personally prefer to support Firefox by using it, I have still stuck with Google's Chrome due to a speed/sleekness factor which I can't quite put my finger on, that Firefox has never been able to overcome in my mind since fully switching over to Chrome several years ago. It's little touches like how you can't re-order extension buttons with a basic mouse drag - no, you have to go into 'Custom…

I can almost put my finger on firefox problems. The html/js engine is great. It's the GUI that severly lags. Tabs, menus, url. On the same machine Chromes never stutter, firefox nightly does way too much. Mozilla did a lot for so long, let's hope they can circle the issues and find resources to fix them.

How old is your PC? Mine is ~5 years old and Chromium has worse performance for me.

Re: Brave Improves Its Ad-Blocker Performance with New Engine in Rust

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I can almost put my finger on firefox problems. The html/js engine is great. It's the GUI that severly lags. Tabs, menus, url. On the same machine Chromes never stutter, firefox nightly does way too much. Mozilla did a lot for so long, let's hope they can circle the issues and find resources to fix them.

How old is your PC? Mine is ~5 years old and Chromium has worse performance for me.

Thinkpad x201, probably 2011. Maybe Firefox needs a minimum to perform adequately. But again, chrome really is slicker (massively so).

Re: Brave Improves Its Ad-Blocker Performance with New Engine in Rust

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I don't understand why you think this means that Google can easily kill all Chrome clones in one funny day .

Blacklist their user agents/fingerprints from all Google services (usually by citing some security concern). Edit: sure, there's perhaps 1% of alt-browser users who actively avoid all Google's services, but rest actually depend on them...

This could happen with literally any browser and has absolutely no relation to whether or not they are based on the chromium source.

Re: Brave Improves Its Ad-Blocker Performance with New Engine in Rust

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I'm currently using Firefox on all devices as my primary browser, but there is a single feature that I've gotten used to in Chrom* browsers on mobile - 'pull down to refresh' - that looks indispensable to me, and I'm planning to move to Brave on mobile just because of that (already replaced Chrome with Brave on Desktop as my secondary browser). Yes, there are add-ons to do that on mobile too, but they are all inconsi…

That's because bad developers focused on WebKit-only experience, forgetting about other browsers. The same happens when some sites require Chrome to work, blocking all the rest. In 2019 it's unacceptable

Am I misunderstanding your comment or are you implying that the missing "pull to refresh" feature is somehow the website developers' fault?

Because it's 100% just a missing feature in Firefox mobile, there's nothing website developers should add to "make it work" on it.

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