Yahoo is Shutting Down Del.icio.us • Hacker News Board

Re: Yahoo is Shutting Down Del.icio.us

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Post by po » Fri, Dec 17, 2010, 1:50 AM UTC

seldo wrote: post #60

joshu wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the system was actually quite a bit larger than they ever talked about. millions of users, etc.

Now that they're shutting it down, I would love to hear your thoughts as founder on why delicious didn't live up to its potential.

Andy Baio was recently on Dan Benjamin's show The Pipeline and he spoke a bit about upcoming.org's acquisition. I believe he described the support he got as underwhelming. Basically you go in, meet with a bunch of groups and then are left by yourself wondering what you're supposed to do.

http://5by5.tv/pipeline/31

Re: Yahoo is Shutting Down Del.icio.us

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Post by djacobs » Fri, Dec 17, 2010, 2:00 AM UTC

pavel_lishin wrote: post #190

djacobs wrote: post #109

One reason I don't sign up with every new startup that comes along--even if they're innovative and helpful and better than the competition--is that I don't want to invest time in something that could fail. And every time I see a web service fail, even if it was no longer a startup, I lose hope that good services can last. Seeing this, for example, I'm not likely to put stock in an online bookmarking startup any time…

So how do you decide what to sign up for?

It varies. I'd be lying if I said mood wasn't involved. But I ask questions like:

  1. How responsive are the startup founders when I e-mail
     them about problems?

  2. How portable is the work I'm going to put into the 
     site? Data portability is actually probably my number 
     1 concern.

  3. Does the service give me value that I couldn't 
     create with my own server after an hour of coding? 
     (Why would I sign up for yet another contacts service 
     when I can host my own LDAP server for free?)

  4. Is there a vibrant community supporting the startup 
     from the get to?

At least these are the first that come to mind.

Re: Yahoo is Shutting Down Del.icio.us

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Post by djacobs » Fri, Dec 17, 2010, 2:04 AM UTC

StavrosK wrote: post #221

djacobs wrote: post #109

One reason I don't sign up with every new startup that comes along--even if they're innovative and helpful and better than the competition--is that I don't want to invest time in something that could fail. And every time I see a web service fail, even if it was no longer a startup, I lose hope that good services can last. Seeing this, for example, I'm not likely to put stock in an online bookmarking startup any time…

It seems pretty safe: you can always export your data if you want.

In this case, yes. But not for all types of startups. When I say I won't "put stock" in another bookmarking service for a while, I don't mean I won't use one. I mean I won't use one like I would if I thought it was a permanent, reliable fixture.

Re: Yahoo is Shutting Down Del.icio.us

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Post by awa » Fri, Dec 17, 2010, 2:12 AM UTC

Question: I know how can i get a html file for all the links. Can I get a text file with just the list of urls

Re: Yahoo is Shutting Down Del.icio.us

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Post by JoshCole » Fri, Dec 17, 2010, 2:17 AM UTC

idlewords wrote: post #185

calvinf wrote: post #123

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I bet. I looked at signing up, but the password field is plain text. What's up w/ that?

It's pale plain text at password creation time, and regular password dots when you login. Saves having to have a 'confirm password' box.

Have you tested whether it leads to more or less sign ups?

Re: Yahoo is Shutting Down Del.icio.us

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Post by johndoe77 » Fri, Dec 17, 2010, 2:30 AM UTC

tcdent wrote: post #116

Jun8 wrote: post #85

Noooo! I love delicious and am using it daily, it's one of the reasons I don't completely switch to Chrome (since the plugin is not as good as the Firefox one). OK, time to dire off the API and suck off all the bookmarks. Where should I put all my bookmarks? What other bookmark service has a nice browser plugin, APIs, etc? After this I'm also convinced that Yahoo is hopeless.

http://pinboard.in aims to be a Delicious replacement and has an interesting payment model.

I've been using pinboard for about 9 months and I promote it every chance I get. Love this service.

Re: Yahoo is Shutting Down Del.icio.us

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Post by ralphc » Fri, Dec 17, 2010, 2:43 AM UTC

philfreo wrote: post #231

jules wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you want from a bookmark service on top of bookmarking+sync?

I don't even need sync, honestly. I just want the features of delicious, and I want to be able to trust that it won't go down. The features I care most about: 1. good browser integration - even through bookmarklets 2. good tagging system 3. ability to search my own stuff like http://www.delicious.com/philfreo/git+tutorial 4. ability to search lots of other peoples bookmarks 5. reliable 6. portability (so I know I can…

I've signed up for Pinboard, it has most of what you want - 3 is http://pinboard.in/u:philfreo/t:git/t:tutorial. What concerns me is the 4, due to the proverbial "network effects", delicious was so good for searching others' bookmarks because so many people were using it. I'm afraid there won't be a clearcut "winner" that everyone uses, the "go to" place to look for links.

Re: Yahoo is Shutting Down Del.icio.us

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Post by mikeklaas » Fri, Dec 17, 2010, 2:50 AM UTC

petercooper wrote: post #222

ryanwaggoner wrote: post #153

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It's public data! You could scrape and index it now for free if you wanted...

Though I've noticed only pages up to 200 work when going back through history.. this only gets you a few days back on the most popular tags.

Sure, but user pages go back farther than that...

Re: Yahoo is Shutting Down Del.icio.us

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Post by sharjeel » Fri, Dec 17, 2010, 2:55 AM UTC

joshu wrote: post #37

seldo wrote: post #21

The writing has been on the wall for delicious for years. They never made any money, never found mainstream adoption, never made use of the enormous flow of user sharing data they were getting to do anything interesting. They have been operating on a skeleton crew for years. Such a shame.

the system was actually quite a bit larger than they ever talked about. millions of users, etc.

If Yahoo is actually shutting it down, would you want to buy it back from them?

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Post by cuppster » Fri, Dec 17, 2010, 3:04 AM UTC

danenania wrote: post #151

tocomment wrote: post #66

Anyone want to do a weekend hackathon with me and build a replacement? We could probably capitalize on delocios shutting down to get some traction.

Would you be able to scrape out all the current content or would that run into ToS barriers?

I like the idea of us taking our own bookmarks and re-importing them into a new system, then getting it to work (optionally) in a network (maybe syncing based on friend/follow relationships) on any domain we like...