Im all ears to be convinced this won’t be a proxy almost exclusively for race.
SAT to Add ‘Adversity Score’ That Rates Students’ Hardships
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#242Equality of opportunity over outcome for me. Now Asians will be discriminated against secretly. My family sacrificing vacations and eating out for 12 years (literally ate out 5x max) to afford to live in a good school district shouldn’t penalize us. My dad commuted 4 hours daily instead of moving...I’m getting pushed further and further to the right.
>I’m getting pushed further and further to the right. Maybe not, it feels like to me that the Overton window[0] has been sliding left. My views on freedom of speech made me a 'leftist commie' when I used them to defend South Park and Eminem now most often I'm accused being 'alt-right' by those who disagree with those same views. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window
Specifically on freedom of speech, the left and right oscillate tons based on who is feeling more authoritarian (the other axis). A small, very vocal portion of the identity-politics left is currently very authoritarian and anti freedom of speech but I think that's a specific current internet-influenced trend and not to do with a wider shift of the overton window on issues in general.
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#243There are so many solutions that are possible if we are honest about underlying problems. For example, minority children are more likely to live in places with high lead exposure - lead has devastating consequences on brain development - and presumably future SAT scores.
Contaminated Childhood: The Chronic Lead Poisoning of Low-Income Children and Communities of Color in the United States: https://www.healthaffairs.org/do/10.1377/hblog20170808.06139...
Re: SAT to Add ‘Adversity Score’ That Rates Students’ Hardships
#244Did I miss seeing anything where they factor in kids with anxiety or other mental issues that make school overly challenging?
They have disability accommodations for that (which are abused by the wealthy apparently). I learned from the recent scandal news.
This is the real scandal. It is possible to convince a doctor to provide a disability. This gives advantages on the test, such as extra time. The abnormal testing is not reported to colleges.
Probably the only solution here is to offer those advantages to everybody. If you want double time, you should get it. If you want food during the test, you should get it. Whatever it is, let everybody have it. Anything less makes a mockery of "standardized" testing.
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#245Presumably the SAT is meant to indicate a student's likelihood for success in a university setting; surely bumping up the scores of students based on how likely they are to be unprepared is counterproductive? This seems like it's going to set underprivileged students up for failure and deprive well-prepared students of an opportunity, no?
"Presumably..." You might done well to have stopped there. I think broadly, the SATs aim to provide some independent consistent data points a school can use to determine the desirability to admit certain students vs. others. You're thinking academic aptitude is the only thing the SATs should measure and report, but if schools want more, it's just good business to provide it. "...surely bumping up the scores..." You m…
"You're thinking academic aptitude is the only thing the SATs should measure and report"
It _is_ pretty hard to make that logical leap from something that is (ok, was once) called the "scholastic aptitude test"...
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Maybe if they had changed its name to the "admissions desirability test," people wouldn't be so aggravated by this.
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#247Equality of opportunity over outcome for me. Now Asians will be discriminated against secretly. My family sacrificing vacations and eating out for 12 years (literally ate out 5x max) to afford to live in a good school district shouldn’t penalize us. My dad commuted 4 hours daily instead of moving...I’m getting pushed further and further to the right.
Devil's advocate: do you think children who lack families that provide such advantages must necessarily "suffer" as a consequence of that lack? And conversely, why did you wait to object until this, in particular, became a consideration instead of before (when ethnicity and other factors were already considerations)?
It's not a question of deserving their suffering: it's about interfering with a standardized preparation metric for college level work to the disservice of everyone. No one is saying to make college admissions purely SAT based; applications are already multifactor composites. This is about an effort to undermine the numerically objective part of it under political pressure.
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#248Earlier quoted context omitted.
Devil's advocate: do you think children who lack families that provide such advantages must necessarily "suffer" as a consequence of that lack? And conversely, why did you wait to object until this, in particular, became a consideration instead of before (when ethnicity and other factors were already considerations)?
I can’t speak for the original commenter, but lots of people did not wait to object to this. What’s uniquely bad about this is that it doesn’t have even the facade of holistic analysis. The College Board is counting up how oppressed they think you are, and telling colleges to count your score less if you don’t have enough oppression points.
Exactly. And who gets to decide how oppressed you are?
Maybe you grew up in a poor neighborhood but have incredibly supportive parents/family?
Maybe you grew up in a billionaire family but with parents who are never around because they have business to run and places to go (as they can afford to)?
And the 'secret' part of the story really really bugs me. Why don't we turn US tax code into a state secret so that rich people/business cannot try to game the system to pay less tax?
EDIT: I got downvotes. But really, I'd like to know who gets to decide how oppressed you are?
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#249Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I’m getting pushed further and further to the right. Oh, do you think the right is going to improve upon the US's current system of incentivizing/forcing families to fight over/make big sacrifices for homes in the wealthiest school districts in order to give their children a half-decent shot at a good education? Or do you just want to be entitled to the good college in exchange for the childhood your parents chose…
> Oh, do you think the right is going to improve upon the US's current system of incentivizing/forcing families to fight over/make big sacrifices for homes in the wealthiest school districts in order to give their children a half-decent shot at a good education? Yes? Ever heard of school vouchers? The political right would love to reform the education system, from teachers unions to university professors, the entrenc…
Interesting point -- I've heard of vouchers, though admittedly have no experience with them.
But does it scale?
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#250Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I’m getting pushed further and further to the right. Oh, do you think the right is going to improve upon the US's current system of incentivizing/forcing families to fight over/make big sacrifices for homes in the wealthiest school districts in order to give their children a half-decent shot at a good education? Or do you just want to be entitled to the good college in exchange for the childhood your parents chose…
> Oh, do you think the right is going to improve upon the US's current system of incentivizing/forcing families to fight over/make big sacrifices for homes in the wealthiest school districts in order to give their children a half-decent shot at a good education? Yes? Ever heard of school vouchers? The political right would love to reform the education system, from teachers unions to university professors, the entrenc…
> Yes? Ever heard of school vouchers?
Wikipedia sums it up: "the evidence to date is not sufficient to warrant recommending that vouchers be adopted on a widespread basis; however, multiple positive findings support continued exploration."
Seems pretty reasonable that we don't let people replace the entire country's educational system with this new one until the evidence in favor of it is extremely compelling.