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Why Don't Americans Understand How Poor Their Lives Are?

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Re: Why Don't Americans Understand How Poor Their Lives Are?

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> One reason that Europe has very few innovative new companies created in the last 25 years is that everyone is at the coffee shop writing poetry. This does not dispute the central point of the quoted piece, which is that the quality of life of most Americans is very poor contrast to that of the average person in some subset of European countries. I would wager that most coffee shop employees are more concerned with…

Americans don't believe the onus is on the whole to make sure the individual lives a happy life. We just don't have the collectivist culture the Europeans have. I think this is a great thing, and is why America is where most of the innovation, cultural, and political power is. I personally have lower taxes, high quality healthcare, and live in an awesome location, and I got all of that through an education and traini…

These "pull yourself up by your bootstraps” comments, always seem to reek of the Munchhausen Trilemma[0]. Take that to mean whatever you will, however I'd say from my own personal experience most of the bootstrap pulling seems only to further selfish means, or worse is just some sort of wheel spinning that no one sees gains from.

Due to the overwhelming amount of memoirs and op-ed's and other things of the like that exist in abundance, I will refrain from giving example circumstances that prevent people from taking such “obvious” poverty relinquishing actions, such as education, and “workharder-ness.”

Not trying to be rude here but "the morally right thing...(is to) make a better future for YOU" is really laughable honestly. I am not broadly traveled but this sort of sentiment seems uniquely American. A land where even the idea of community is a bad word that stings with thoughts of dependence. Where self-sufficiency and lack of illness are the greatest things to behold, in much the same way that we measure the quality of chattel (be that farm animal, slave, or inanimate property).

I have had more than one conversation with some supposed Ayn Rand [1] touting "ideologist", that seemed to have no inkling of anything that was per-provided for their meager successes. Such as, an entrepreneur who started with no small sum of money provided by a parent, that did not believe an any sort of government regulation, other than ones that hold his employees to mythical slavery contracts he dreamed up in his spare time. Not willing to even except that food practices were made safer but some regulatory concerns, because of course there is no such thing as germs anyway(including all sickness which was simply a lie to get out of working hard). A friend of mine installs captioned phones for people who have lost their hearing, and even though he is required to explain as well as have them accept a contract that specifically states it is a government program at no cost to them, they still confide in him with their fears of socialist uprisings. In fact, I hardly meet a person with even an appreciation for the roads they rode in on. Much less the horse, that seems to brandish itself at the mere existence of their will to travel and an ability to procure a loan.

I’m not only suggesting that we should be a little more aware of the benefits that so many of us have been given from the past, but also that we not cheapen ourselves by only valuing self-reliance. We may have a system in which individuals can live in an imagined state of “I’ve done all of this by the sweat of my own brow,” but this is only imagined, and our souls are weaker for it.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%BCnchhausen_trilemma

[1] Not intended to denounce Rand, only pointing out a trend.

Re: Why Don't Americans Understand How Poor Their Lives Are?

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Why do you think those people write poetry instead of creating side project businesses?

It doesn't require capital. You can do it without involving other people. You don't need profit motivation. You can complete projects without the requirement that they produce enough income for you to survive off of. No deadlines. Less responsibilities. Quitting doesn't hurt other people. If you enjoy writing poetry you're also saving the money you would have spent paying for dopamine. Edit: It's very difficult to mo…

Nothing about your reply has anything to do with why a person might create poetry.

Re: Why Don't Americans Understand How Poor Their Lives Are?

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> In London, Paris, Berlin, I hop on the train, head to the cafe — it’s the afternoon, and nobody’s gotten to work until 9am, and even then, maybe not until 10 — order a carefully made coffee and a newly baked croissant, do some writing, pick up some fresh groceries, maybe a meal or two, head home — now it’s 6 or 7, and everyone else has already gone home around 5 — and watch something interesting, maybe a documentar…

Uhm, someone might argue that you're still living off the windfall of state subsidies your technological complex received during the Cold War to win the arms race with the Russians...

... but that would be needlessly sarcastic wouldn't it? ;/

Re: Why Don't Americans Understand How Poor Their Lives Are?

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It all comes from the individualism and egocentrism and bullying of US culture. "It is made up of littler myths about greed being good, the weak deserving nothing, society being an arena, not a lever, for the survival of the fittest". You've been raised and thought to only think and work for yourself and consider your interests first...Until someone gets cancer and you have to launch a GoFundMe campaign and hope it'l…

Fantastic comments and very true. This echoes my time spent living in Europe.

As an "American" with a British father, and having lived overseas for much of my life, I still value European social mores and overall cultural far more than my American side. If I could only convince my wife to move to somewhere besides Texas. Vermont is first on the list, followed by anywhere in south rural England or Spain.

Europeans tend to not get starry-eyed like Americans. I don't need or want a sports car and big-assed house. It does nothing for me other than put me behind the power curve financially. I'd rather have universal healthcare, 6 weeks paid holiday and the ability to travel cheaply in the EU bloc.

Re: Why Don't Americans Understand How Poor Their Lives Are?

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As an American who has lived in Europe for 5+ years: the single biggest issue with the States is that everything is filtered through a money-first mentality. Reading a book? It better be nonfiction, because fiction “isn’t real” and won’t help you get ahead. Writing a book? It’s only a success if it’s a best-seller. Studying a new language? Only worth it if you can monetize it somehow. Hate your job? Not a problem if…

As a French guy I think the money-first approach have some advantages.

We tend to view money as "dirty", when in reality, it is just value. America seems to be more aware of that.

For example, if you are writing a book, of course you want it to be a best seller and make tons of money. With that money you will be able to live a comfortable life so that you can write your next book in the best conditions.

You have kids? Yes, staying with your kids is important but so is making money. More money means better food, better education, more exciting and varied activities, etc...

Feeling generous? Earn more money so that you can support more charities, pay over market price for more ethical products...

Maybe it is a little too strong in the US but the money-first filter, as long as it is not absolute is simple and effective.

Re: Why Don't Americans Understand How Poor Their Lives Are?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Americans don't believe the onus is on the whole to make sure the individual lives a happy life. We just don't have the collectivist culture the Europeans have. I think this is a great thing, and is why America is where most of the innovation, cultural, and political power is. I personally have lower taxes, high quality healthcare, and live in an awesome location, and I got all of that through an education and traini…

Is that why people cannot afford insulin in America. This is something to be celebrated?

Insulin can be had for as little as $30. If someone can't afford that, it's because they can't manage their money.

Re: Why Don't Americans Understand How Poor Their Lives Are?

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Americans don’t travel. If we did, we wouldn’t buy the myth of American exceptionalism. But then, we are largely becoming a country controlled by global financial interests rather than the population. Money is the deciding factor in our elections, and the most concentrated forms of wealth out there are sovereign wealth funds and large multinational corporations whose executives are largely above the law. Which means…

We need more representation. There's no reason to have the same number or representatives in the lower house of congress as we did at the turn of the 20th century.

We should also repeal the 17th amendment and popular elections for president.

Re: Why Don't Americans Understand How Poor Their Lives Are?

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Don't get me wrong; vast numbers of Americans do have plenty of experience with the world outside America. The simple (and unfortunate) answer is that because America is geographically isolated, many Americans literally don't see how folks in other countries live. Also, thanks to the Cold War, we spent half a century being indoctrinated to believe that socialism is evil and capitalism equals freedom and that's why th…

I wouldn't necessarily say vast number of americans have plenty of experience outside the US. For example, only 42% have a passport. https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2018/01/11/the-sh...

Betting a solid half of those are for Canada (mostly those living near the border—don't you still need at least a passport card to drive over?) Mexico (all-inclusive resorts for the most part) and/or Caribbean cruises, entirely. That accounts for almost all the travel I hear about in my extended knowing-stuff-that's-going-on-with-people range.

Re: Why Don't Americans Understand How Poor Their Lives Are?

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I never realised buying crap you don't need equated to a better life.

> you don't need technically you don't need anything to live. Maybe a roof. A cover to sleep at night and keep you warm. Food to eat everyday, and that's about it. So where you draw the line as to "crap you don't need" is going to be an interesting question. Do you need a computer/phone to post comments on HN to live?

I use don't need not in an existential sense but in a "you won't ever use it to it's capacity sense". For example a big car you drive alone within the speed limit in a city. A big house you only use 2 of the 10 rooms in regularly. An iMac Pro you use to browse Hackernews and read emails. You get the idea.
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