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Facebook won’t let you opt out of its phone number ‘look up’ setting

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Re: Facebook won’t let you opt out of its phone number ‘look up’ setting

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You use your real phone number on FB? MY no on there is a fake (but real number in my area code). And I don't put my Mobile number on FB at all.

Might it be possible to compromise your account by getting control of that phone number?

Absolutely. Using a number you do not control and which is in the possession of someone else is one of the stupidest things you can do in a situation like this.

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> Doesn't Google Voice solve this problem? Or perhaps there are restrictions I don't know about. Only sort of. I wouldn't be surprised if Facebook rejects Google Voices numbers and will only accept a real-live carrier numbers. It seems pretty easy to do, given how often my GV is rejected by sleezy services I'd like to give a throwaway (e.g. peoplesearch opt-outs). However, I'm not going to personally test this theory…

Let me surprise you then so you can stop making false speculations - you can use a GV number for Facebook 2FA.

Let me surprise you since you seem to not know and so your idiocy can be corrected - GV only works in the USA.

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Sounds useful. It's unfortunate that google voice still isn't available outside North America. I don't know if that is for technical reasons or for (European/Asian) political reasons. But it sure would have been nice to keep separate numbers the same way it's sometimes necessary to keep separate google accounts.

> But it sure would have been nice to keep separate numbers the same way it's sometimes necessary to keep separate google accounts. In Sweden, you can request a pre-paid SIM be sent to you in the mail[0]. To be fair, it's not entirely a "burner" SIM, as it's associated with your personnummer but it's a lot more convenient than queuing in a shop (if that's not your thing). Maybe your country has a carrier that does th…

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Re: Facebook won’t let you opt out of its phone number ‘look up’ setting

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> yet creating a new phone number for recruiting is not Doesn't Google Voice solve this problem? Or perhaps there are restrictions I don't know about. Of course, you still have to remember to create a burner phone number before giving out your contact info...

Only for US and Canada.

Only US actually.

Re: Facebook won’t let you opt out of its phone number ‘look up’ setting

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I wonder how long it takes until the whole teaching profession just collectively decides to adopt professional pseudonyms. Would make "child at same school"-situations even more awkward I guess.

The issue would be safeguarding.

There's no problem what name the school has you on the books for. There's no reason what they have on file/police checks is the same name presented on office doors, emails and to parents.

We do this all the time for students that can't/won't use their legal names in school for a number of reasons.

Re: Facebook won’t let you opt out of its phone number ‘look up’ setting

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If you are a Facebook employee, or are close to one, please help me understand. How does it feel to see reports like this being released almost weekly? I realize people are very good at dealing with moral dissonance when their paycheck depends on it, but surely you must be thinking, talking to your colleagues, about what your personal responsibility in this is?

Overall, the vast majority of similar reports are completely irrelevant, partial or non-sensical. Happy to give details but the most common pattern is the same person demanding that Facebook regulate speech in one sentence and being outraged that Facebook feels allowed to regulate speech before that sentence is over. Most journalists who write about Facebook are deemed as “having no idea what they are talking about”.…

Thanks a lot for an opportunity to look into the world of Facebook employee, that was really interesting and I feel that I do understand it better now.

However, I wonder if you'd agree that maybe the main reason for Facebook problems is their desire to overconnect the social graph basically. All those moderation problems wouldn't be there if the newsfeed stayed simple chronological summary of updates by their friends and families instead of an algorithmically generated mess. Reddit AFAIK doesn't have problems as huge as Facebook's, and the reason for that is that communities tend to moderate themselves pretty well, and moderating communities themselves (e.g. banning drug sale groups) scales way, way better. In a sense FB itself kinda acknowledges that with its recent emphasis on Groups.

On the other hand, interpersonal connections between real-life friends and families (what Facebook sold to its audience and the way it keeps the users on the platform) barely need any moderation at all. It's quite unlikely your uncle James starts promoting antivax (or child suicide) in your family, and even if he does, he can either be contested (not letting spiral of silence to form) or banned/muted/unfriended/etc. Unfortunately, it's not how FB works: it baits you with friends and family and switches to engagement optimised cesspool.

It feels like the hyperconnected, algo-driven feed is actually the root of most facebook troubles, despite (obviously) generating massive revenues.

Re: Facebook won’t let you opt out of its phone number ‘look up’ setting

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This will make keeping your social media private during recruiting much much harder because rather than trying to search for your name on FB or your email, an interviewer can just search your listed contact number. Names are often not unique but phone numbers are. This matters because creating a new email account for recruiting is trivial, yet creating a new phone number for recruiting is not. Most phones are not dua…

"This matters because creating a new email account for recruiting is trivial, yet creating a new phone number for recruiting is not."

I create (and destroy) new phone numbers all the time. Via the command line. I can route and forward and block them any way I like, to and from my existing phone (which is single SIM) or to ... nowhere.[1]

https://twilio.com

[1] I have a "ring forever" TwiML bin that I like to use.

Re: Facebook won’t let you opt out of its phone number ‘look up’ setting

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There are also a non negligible number of people using an alias on facebook because they have good reason. Apparently when a woman uses a pseudonym on facebook, it is not unlikely that it is because of a nasty/stalkerish ex that she would rather get away from. I am actually in favor of a transparent society (a la david brin) , but we have to grown up a lot and handle such cases before the advantages that come with it…

> in favor of a transparent society I suggest you read The Transparent Society by Byung-Chul Han. It’s a brutal 50-page indictment of the hypercult of transparency and its effects on the human soul, on the political discourse, and on traditional values like truth and beauty. Might change your view on the costs of transparency.

Isn't the premise of that book that privacy is a deep human need, and that its erosion goes against our intent?

I would argue that the next generation coming up will have little to no _need_ for privacy. When you grow up with nanny cams in your bedroom, privacy per se isn't even valued, let alone met with an expectation.

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