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Mobile customer location data is ending up in the hands of bounty hunters

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Re: Mobile customer location data is ending up in the hands of bounty hunters

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The whole bounty hunter system sounds like something out of a bad movie.. I would be very surprised if it wasn't full of abuse stories.

Considering they tend to have names like "Dog" and "Bossk" I would agree.

Yeah, sometimes the name just says thug :)

Re: Mobile customer location data is ending up in the hands of bounty hunters

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post #122

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The whole bounty hunter system sounds like something out of a bad movie.. I would be very surprised if it wasn't full of abuse stories.

Professional law enforcement agencies are a recent development historically, and for a long time were resisted as something out of an authoritarian dystopia. Policing was the job of amateurs and freelancers for much longer than it’s been a civil service bureaucracy. Even death investigation was, until recently, a side gig for the town doctor.

How is this relevant?

Human rights is a recent development, that does make them a bad idea? Or justify violations :)

The concept of a professional trained police force is well proven by now, I see no reason to question it :)

Re: Mobile customer location data is ending up in the hands of bounty hunters

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"It's free real estate" is a meme based on a parody of late-night infomercials touting quick and easy money but are actually bait-and-switch scams. https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/its-free-real-estate The other two bits are probably meaning that the phone company can make money selling your location and make money charging you to change phone numbers every so often to avoid tracking efforts by people who only have you…

Thanks for the helpful explanation (TIL a new meme :)). I guess it seems the problem is the commenter using inconsistent subjects, i.e. it would make sense (even without punctuation, or knowing the meme) had it been phrased as: > Charge for your users' locations! Charge users to change/auto-rotate their numbers! It's free real estate!

Indeed this is what I meant. I pondered my informal phrasing afterwards.

Also I entered single carriage feeds between sentences, forgetting that they're going to get stripped on HN anyway.

Re: Mobile customer location data is ending up in the hands of bounty hunters

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post #212

Perhaps this is a good reason to use Google Voice and not give anyone the underlying real phone number with cell service.

I started doing something like this (but with a different provider) and I noticed this is surprisingly difficult: Especially messaging providers identify users based on phone numbers, but also a lot of websites started requiring a phone number verification. Those virtual phone numbers are often rejected. This can cause situations in which you have different phone numbers on 2 services.

Only service that rejected my gvoice number was Viber, I just said fuck Viber, WhatsApp is good enough

Re: Mobile customer location data is ending up in the hands of bounty hunters

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post #242

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Professional law enforcement agencies are a recent development historically, and for a long time were resisted as something out of an authoritarian dystopia. Policing was the job of amateurs and freelancers for much longer than it’s been a civil service bureaucracy. Even death investigation was, until recently, a side gig for the town doctor.

How is this relevant? Human rights is a recent development, that does make them a bad idea? Or justify violations :) The concept of a professional trained police force is well proven by now, I see no reason to question it :)

Parent said bounty hunting something out of a bad movie. So did institutional policing, at the time.

Re: Mobile customer location data is ending up in the hands of bounty hunters

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post #209

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You have a point, but the problem is that there's no way to not spew data out in public spaces. I'd have to cut off all of the following: - my mobile phone - my landline phone - all credit cards and bank accounts - all hosted email solutions - all other hosted ways of communication (social media, messaging apps) - all ways of transport unless I own the devices (and even some cars you could own have telemetry these da…

Hey, that's the price of using all of those things, if you don't want to pay that price; don't. You don't own a photo I take of you nor do you own data I collect about you from the public sphere.

Why would you want to make it a price to pay? We choose what's legal and what's not, it's not given to us in some great revelation. Do you think people's lives would be better without privacy, or with privacy?

I see little benefit in developing an alternative system of payment to the dollar, some form of intellectual nudity, implications of which I don't fully understand. The dollar is fine, charge me and leave me alone.

Re: Mobile customer location data is ending up in the hands of bounty hunters

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Thanks, I'll look out for that. @tapland and @jgibson also mention that mobile networks often outsource running the infra. In any case - I agree with you that this seems like a shitty legal pseudo-loophole. At the very least the company you sign mobile contract with needs to share your phone number with those infra subsidies. But then according to GDPR: "15. 1. The data subject shall have the right to (...) access to…

Yeah, I read the same clause. The crux is this: > or categories of recipient to whom the personal data have been or will be disclosed They provided that by saying it's for network operators.

Ugh. Thanks for pointing it out.

Re: Mobile customer location data is ending up in the hands of bounty hunters

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post #166

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Hi I work for a printing company as a full-stack developer. My work involves things like writing API wrappers to ingest order flow so our customers can print brochures, or building web UI tools to create and order print resources. The last algorithm I wrote was to generate 5000 unique BINGO cards. Please explain to me how my salary comes from eroding privacy.

I think we can agree that what you do and what your salary "come from" can be distinct and can be influenced by other things. There are engineers at FB whose sole job is maintaining REACT.js but they are paid from the money made from selling data. Further, and I want to make it clear that I don't mean this as a value statement, but is a printing company what most of us really think of a the "tech" industry? and by ex…

There is a huge amount of tech in the print industry, believe it or not

Re: Mobile customer location data is ending up in the hands of bounty hunters

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post #166

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Hi I work for a printing company as a full-stack developer. My work involves things like writing API wrappers to ingest order flow so our customers can print brochures, or building web UI tools to create and order print resources. The last algorithm I wrote was to generate 5000 unique BINGO cards. Please explain to me how my salary comes from eroding privacy.

The demand from these mega companies and their pay keeps your pay high.

No it doesn't. We don't sell to any tech companies. We do like, manuals for baby seats and stuff like that.
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