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Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Despegar wrote: post #178
samspenc wrote: post #90

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My understanding is that they'll be using the Chromium engine underneath, but still their own Edge "browser" and UI on top. IMHO, I personally think it's a good thing to consolidate on one engine to render HTML cross-platform for these two reasons: 1. Web developers no longer need to worry about supporting CSS and other edge-cases across various browser engines. 2. The Chromium engine itself is open source. There are…

The web works best when there's a European-style balance of power with actual balance [1]. Microsoft, Apple and Google are like France, UK and Germany. Each of them have their own interests. Microsoft had their own interests when they actually had a native developer ecosystem that was thriving, but now that it's gone they have deprioritized Windows as a business [2], made Windows 10 a data sucking "OS as a service" (…

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Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by gdwatson »

satyenr wrote: post #225
JohnBooty wrote: post #179

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Yeah, this is just depressing and honestly a little baffling. Seems contrary to Microsoft's interests - why let Google control this aspect of the Web? (Obviously, MS will maintain their own fork and can permanently fork away whenever they want/need to, I guess, so it's not like they've locked themselves in forever, but still) I actually wasn't aware of the problems with Edge. This is the first I've heard of them... I…

I don’t think they intend to let Google control anything — least of all the future of the web. They have been burned too badly by them for that. They are more likely to do what Google did — they used WebKit in the early years of Chrome and then forked it to create Blink once it had gained enough traction. Microsoft is likely to do the same at some point — assuming their browser gains traction. And I, for one, hope it…

"... and Firefox is just not cutting it."

What are your objections to modern Firefox? Most of the criticism I've heard is that it's become too much like Chrome. I'm quite happy with it personally.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by nkozyra »

cmsimike wrote: post #201
happymellon wrote: post #197

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How can I test Edge when Microsoft don't release it for Mac and Linux? A browser for a single OS? Talk about monoculture.

http://modern.ie Free Windows VirtualBox images you can use for testing!

You've used these, right? It's an enormous pain to have to spin up a separate VM per version of Edge/IE to get a "Your copy of Windows might be stolen" message and have some finite period of time to test.

I appreciate that they have these, but it's a real annoying hoop to jump through, and I've long suspected the hope is you'll just have your company buy a cheap windows box for testing.

I can test the other browsers without doing this dance.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by cjbprime »

cwyers wrote: post #238
cjbprime wrote: post #177

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> which increases system RAM usage and hinders performance. I can see that it increases disk space , but everything on top of that is questionable. I believe DLLs will share/reuse memory pages even if they were downloaded in separate bundles.

The trouble comes if they're not the same DLLs. Chromium updates often enough that there's lots of different versions you can bundle.

But how would that situation be any different in the presence of some kind of system Chromium install provided by MS?

Chromium updates often, so you don't want to run your client-side JS against any other Electron version than the one you wrote it for because they change APIs frequently, so you'll still have one set of DLLs for each needed Electron version.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by sho »

cmsimike wrote: post #201
happymellon wrote: post #197

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How can I test Edge when Microsoft don't release it for Mac and Linux? A browser for a single OS? Talk about monoculture.

http://modern.ie Free Windows VirtualBox images you can use for testing!

Not sure if you are being sarcastic, but if testing on your browser means downloading a 4GB+ image every couple months and having it take up all my memory in a clunky VM and messing around with how it gets its IP and then trying to update itself with another multi-gigabyte windows update while I'm tethering and did I mention you have to redo it all every couple of months?... then I'm not testing against your browser.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by lwansbrough »

WalterGR wrote: post #192
lwansbrough wrote: post #45

Stupid. Open source Edge and see where that gets us before you blow up the only chance we have of maintaining an open web standard.

2008. “Fuck you, Microsoft, for not bundling Firefox or Chrome.” 2018. “Fuck you, Microsoft, for bundling Firefox or Chrome.” Hilarious.

Very disingenuous comparison. Shows a lack of comprehension or wilful ignorance of the issue many have expressed in this thread.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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[deleted] wrote: post #241
Despegar wrote: post #178

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The web works best when there's a European-style balance of power with actual balance [1]. Microsoft, Apple and Google are like France, UK and Germany. Each of them have their own interests. Microsoft had their own interests when they actually had a native developer ecosystem that was thriving, but now that it's gone they have deprioritized Windows as a business [2], made Windows 10 a data sucking "OS as a service" (…

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Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by wbl »

pcwalton wrote: post #219
Osiris wrote: post #196

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It's interesting, I don't see this argument made against other open source projects that are dominant, such as the Linux kernel. I rarely see people saying that there need to be competing kernel projects with completely separate code bases but all trying to conform to the same ABI, etc. (Yes, I know there are other kernels out there, but my point is that people don't complain that Linux is so dominant like they do ab…

And the OS kernel monoculture is to the open source world's detriment. I think it's fantastic that Fuchsia is going to give Linux a run for its money: Fuchsia is fundamentally better architected in numerous ways than Linux is.

Meanwhile the BSDs are closer and haven't done that, capability systems have been around for years but breaking Unix means tools aren't around.
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