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Re: Google May Have to Get Used to Third Place in the Cloud

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Post by ekianjo » Thu, Nov 15, 2018, 9:54 AM UTC

Aeolun wrote: post #121

ekianjo wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I remember seeing Google folks in Japan coming to sell their products in T shirts and jeans in a business world where everyone wears suits and knows it. I have nothing against the casual style, but knowing the etiquette is primordial in business.

Dawut? For real? I honestly cannot imagine the words ‘sales’ and ‘no suit’ together in a sentence anywhere in the world, much less Japan. I’m not even Japanese and I think by now I’d consider it more or less an insult.

Maybe they did not mean it as an insult, they just came in their everyday working clothes I guess. The problem is that looked super unprofessional and left the impression to be a bunch of hipsters. After all, they are the image of the company, and dressing so casually in front on your client is... disturbing.

Re: Google May Have to Get Used to Third Place in the Cloud

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Post by murukesh_s » Thu, Nov 15, 2018, 9:57 AM UTC

SyneRyder wrote: post #211

slededit wrote: post #135

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They ship 32-bit versions still to support those people. As a former msft engineer it was a huge pain in the ass to have to build the 32-bit version all the time - but customers used and relied on it.

As someone with a 32-bit Windows 10, thank you! I have it installed on an old 2006 MacBook, so Microsoft was still providing updates for a 12 year old machine... one that Apple itself abandoned after just 6 years. It's one of my favorite examples of Microsoft's longer support for old hardware. And for what it's worth, after 12 years and 3 Mac purchases, I've switched & just bought a PC again.

Which one did you buy? Mac's screen, keyboard (old one), trackpad, build and battery life is unmatched as far as I could say. I found mac hardware have much more longer life (even though Apple may not support it for that long)..

Re: Google May Have to Get Used to Third Place in the Cloud

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Post by netwanderer3 » Thu, Nov 15, 2018, 10:10 AM UTC

Microsoft were able to leverage their Office 365 cloud products that most companies are already using to gain momentum. Google have shifted their focus toward AI in their recent years and I believe once it is ready, Google will come out with a breakthrough AI application on its cloud platform that will make a lot of businesses flock to them. Right now they just really don't have a way to differentiate themselves among other providers yet. It's still early in the game but that time will come.

Re: Google May Have to Get Used to Third Place in the Cloud

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Post by SyneRyder » Thu, Nov 15, 2018, 10:40 AM UTC

murukesh_s wrote: post #242

SyneRyder wrote: post #211

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone with a 32-bit Windows 10, thank you! I have it installed on an old 2006 MacBook, so Microsoft was still providing updates for a 12 year old machine... one that Apple itself abandoned after just 6 years. It's one of my favorite examples of Microsoft's longer support for old hardware. And for what it's worth, after 12 years and 3 Mac purchases, I've switched & just bought a PC again.

Which one did you buy? Mac's screen, keyboard (old one), trackpad, build and battery life is unmatched as far as I could say. I found mac hardware have much more longer life (even though Apple may not support it for that long)..

I went with a Lenovo Thinkpad X1 Yoga. It hasn't arrived yet, so I can't directly compare, but I've tried the keyboard & trackpad in store & they feel about as good as my mid-2012 MacBook Pro. I chose the premium screen upgrade to HDR Dolby Digital 500 nits, 8th-Gen Core i7, 16GB RAM, 512GB SSD, touchscreen/pen & 3yr Next Day On-site Warranty was $1500 cheaper than a MacBook Pro with the same specs. The Thinkpad X1 has a user replaceable SSD, so I'll upgrade it to 2TB for $1000 cheaper than Apple's SSD upgrades, which are soldered on. I also love the Black, which fits in with my 2006 & 2007 Black MacBooks.

I considered the Surface Book 2, which has an excellent keyboard & trackpad, but the SSD can't be replaced by the user & tops out at 1TB. I was worried about the Surface Book hinge being fragile in my backpack while travelling & commuting.

My 2006, 2007 and even my 2000 Pismo G3 Macs all still work well. I used to love Apple reliability & recommended the Apple Store to everyone, I was that guy who queued for a day-one iPhone 4. But my mid-2012 MacBook Pro (bought in 2015) has been a lemon, the data flex cable keeps failing every few months, causing it to corrupt data & eventually lose the boot drive. (SuperDuper! has been a lifesaver.) Apple have replaced the cable 5 times now, each time with a week of downtime, but the replacement cables all have the same known defect & I just can't trust the machine anymore.

Re: Google May Have to Get Used to Third Place in the Cloud

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Post by alex_hitchins » Thu, Nov 15, 2018, 11:10 AM UTC

lalos wrote: post #8

Microsoft will reap the rewards of supporting XP and Office for decades, that wins enterprise trust & goodwill, and clients will expect that from Azure. On the other hand, every month we have a new product/service of Google being deprecated (officially or by raising prices). Even if it's technically better, the most sane business decision from enterprise would be to bet on Microsoft for support reasons. Microsoft tal…

That and the fact you can speak to engineers at Microsoft will relative ease. Recently had an Azure support ticket open. The whole process was beyond my expectations to the point I'd have difficulty putting anything big anywhere else. Could be personal preference, but the way they manage introducing new services and grandfathering old ones is also very good.

Re: Google May Have to Get Used to Third Place in the Cloud

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Post by tzury » Thu, Nov 15, 2018, 11:45 AM UTC

gibba999 wrote: post #229

tzury wrote: post #218

From product perspective, Google cloud is far ahead from AWS and Azure. As one who runs a company that operates on all 3, serving over 3b+ HTTPS requests daily, across 250K of web apps, in all continents, I can say clear and simple: GCP Compute, Networking stack and storage are a superior product when compared to AWS and Azure. For every dollar you pay: - You get more compute power per core, while paying less. - You…

... and you get what you pay for. Whenever I've had a problem on AWS, I've spoken to a human being, and had a detailed information on what was happening and how they were fixing it. I don't have a support plan through Amazon, but I do a bit of business there (now). When I had a problem with Google, the response was a stone wall. Online FAQs and no one to talk to. Even security issues, they blow people off on. I would…

We are on a paid support at all 3 vendors, and getting phone support 24/7 when needed.

Not sure that is a differentiator at all, except for the Support pricing model.

Re: Google May Have to Get Used to Third Place in the Cloud

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Post by wodenokoto » Thu, Nov 15, 2018, 12:45 PM UTC

tzury wrote: post #218

From product perspective, Google cloud is far ahead from AWS and Azure. As one who runs a company that operates on all 3, serving over 3b+ HTTPS requests daily, across 250K of web apps, in all continents, I can say clear and simple: GCP Compute, Networking stack and storage are a superior product when compared to AWS and Azure. For every dollar you pay: - You get more compute power per core, while paying less. - You…

> In B2B, the one with the larger sales team will.

Around the Nordic countries at least, Google tries to outsource sales to participants in the Google Cloud Partners program.

If you want the " face-to-face meetings, price quotes, negotiations, etc", you go to a partner.

How one chooses a trusted partner, when ones decision is based on the Google brand, I have no idea...

Re: Google May Have to Get Used to Third Place in the Cloud

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Post by baseballMan » Thu, Nov 15, 2018, 1:26 PM UTC

lalos wrote: post #8

Microsoft will reap the rewards of supporting XP and Office for decades, that wins enterprise trust & goodwill, and clients will expect that from Azure. On the other hand, every month we have a new product/service of Google being deprecated (officially or by raising prices). Even if it's technically better, the most sane business decision from enterprise would be to bet on Microsoft for support reasons. Microsoft tal…

I've had an absolutely terrible experience with Azure support and I've worked on environments that have the highest level of support enabled.

Amazon is so much better in my experience when it comes to supporting their platform.

Re: Google May Have to Get Used to Third Place in the Cloud

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Post by scarface74 » Thu, Nov 15, 2018, 1:34 PM UTC

ewhauser421 wrote: post #69

I see a lot of Google Cloud bashing on this thread, so thought I'd share my viewpoint as a customer. We've been a Google Cloud customer for close to a year now and just recently signed a deal to move all of our infrastructure over to them from AWS. I've previously managed infrastructure spends of $>10M a year on AWS before, so have a decent amount of experience with them. I've never used Azure. We had been running ou…

When working with Amazon, you are usually referred to a solutions integrator who can't answer tough technical questions.

Amazon “Consultants” are basically useless. The ones I’ve had the displeasure of dealing with only know the netops side and the best they can do is help you do a “lift and shift”. They usually know very little about how to implement all of the other managed services AWS offers.

I was the Dev lead at a previous company with no AWS experience and they brought in “consultants” to help us move to AWS. They gave no guidance on how to actually develop a product using AWS services even though I explained in high level my proposed architecture. I could have easily cut the cost by over 60% if I had known all I know about AWS now or the consultants could have actually helped.

Re: Google May Have to Get Used to Third Place in the Cloud

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Post by BonesJustice » Thu, Nov 15, 2018, 1:37 PM UTC

SyneRyder wrote: post #244

murukesh_s wrote: post #242

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which one did you buy? Mac's screen, keyboard (old one), trackpad, build and battery life is unmatched as far as I could say. I found mac hardware have much more longer life (even though Apple may not support it for that long)..

I went with a Lenovo Thinkpad X1 Yoga. It hasn't arrived yet, so I can't directly compare, but I've tried the keyboard & trackpad in store & they feel about as good as my mid-2012 MacBook Pro. I chose the premium screen upgrade to HDR Dolby Digital 500 nits, 8th-Gen Core i7, 16GB RAM, 512GB SSD, touchscreen/pen & 3yr Next Day On-site Warranty was $1500 cheaper than a MacBook Pro with the same specs. The Thinkpad X1 h…

Nice. The touchpad on my 2013 MacBook Pro doesn’t click properly anymore, and I just don’t like the current line. I just bought a ThinkPad X1 Extreme (i7-8850H, 32GB, 1TB, 4K). I’ve been running elementary OS on it, and while it lacks many of the niceties of macOS (especially for owners of multiple Apple devices), it has a familiar and refined feel.