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Re: My somewhat complete salary history as a software engineer

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Post by ponyous » Wed, Oct 31, 2018, 11:35 AM UTC

sleepychu wrote: post #236

ponyous wrote: post #235

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Seems like it's more important to change titles than company according to your history. To be honest I'm a bit offended you consider yourself senior with 2 years of experience.

Why are you offended? The market considers them senior...

I spent 5+ years in the industry and felt weird calling myself senior. Just because you are a friend with CEO and he can vouch for your title doesn't make you senior.

In 2 years of experience how many serious products can you take from start to finish? In my opinion, a senior developer is a person who did this multiple times.

It's almost like calling yourself lead developer of 1 man team...

Re: My somewhat complete salary history as a software engineer

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Post by yitchelle » Wed, Oct 31, 2018, 11:38 AM UTC

talaketu wrote: post #214

yitchelle wrote: post #181

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I have worked in Australia, Singapore and Germany. When mentioning salary, we usually qualify it with either "Gross" or "Net", which corresponds to 1) and 2) respectively on your list.

though "what you actually get" in the long run includes superannuation in Australia, but people do not count it as a component of their gross income.

Not really, it is kinda "unseen" as its not part of the money that goes into you pocket after taxes. You only get into your pocket when retired.

Re: My somewhat complete salary history as a software engineer

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Post by beaconstudios » Wed, Oct 31, 2018, 11:38 AM UTC

asnyder wrote: post #220

This is the crazy part for me: They suggested that she contact human rights organisations, so Julie rang up and left messages with several - but she never received a reply. What is up with non-replies from organizations? She reaches out and nothing. It's not a Facebook Ad Request appeal (an aside, is crazy how non-responsive they can be and get away with it) it's human rights!

did you mean to comment on this other post? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18341572

Re: My somewhat complete salary history as a software engineer

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Post by marsrover » Wed, Oct 31, 2018, 11:51 AM UTC

asnyder wrote: post #220

This is the crazy part for me: They suggested that she contact human rights organisations, so Julie rang up and left messages with several - but she never received a reply. What is up with non-replies from organizations? She reaches out and nothing. It's not a Facebook Ad Request appeal (an aside, is crazy how non-responsive they can be and get away with it) it's human rights!

Wrong thread.

Re: My somewhat complete salary history as a software engineer

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Post by Tade0 » Wed, Oct 31, 2018, 12:00 PM UTC

dmarucco wrote: post #213

Tade0 wrote: post #200

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Are these figures after taxes/INPS/health insurance etc.?

Sorry i didn't say that all those figures are Before Taxes. I live in northen italy in a place where living is not too much expensive.

As a local could you tell me: is it true what they say that work in IT in northern Italy is mainly in Milan and maaaaybe in Verona and Ferrara?

I wanted to move to Bologna, but I had trouble finding any interesting offers.

Re: My somewhat complete salary history as a software engineer

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Post by a_imho » Wed, Oct 31, 2018, 12:00 PM UTC

apexalpha wrote: post #232

phyller wrote: post #208

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It boggles my mind that salaries can be so much lower in parts of Europe, while expenses are about the same as the US. Of course if you are living in New York City or San Francisco area expenses are higher, but most places they are not.

As always: it's not that Black and White. Many people in my country, and NW Europe in general, opt for pay in another currency: time. Dutch people work _on average_ 350 hours less per year than their US counterparts; or about 7 weeks worth when working 40 hours a week. It's not unheard of in my company to have between 30 and 50 paid days off per year on top of the national holidays. These days are negotiated during s…

On average means very little, especially across all positions considered. Also, in software it is very easy to bill hours, it very loosely correlates to productivity, which I don't think particularly varies that much across nationalities (and in my experience Americans like to overstate their work ethic as if working overtime is a badge of honor)

Nevertheless 350/40 = 8.75, but it is still far from covering the wage disparity.

I for one, would gladly report an extra hour each day for a 50-500% boost in my salary.

Re: My somewhat complete salary history as a software engineer

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Post by tobyhinloopen » Wed, Oct 31, 2018, 12:02 PM UTC

apexalpha wrote: post #169

sunaurus wrote: post #141

I always wonder when I read about salaries in other countries - what do the numbers usually mean? Not sure if this is how it works everywhere, but where I live, we have 3 different ways of talking about salary: 1) What you actually get 2) What you actually get + what you pay in taxes 3) What you actually get + what you pay in taxes + what your employer pays in taxes Usually we talk about #2 when discussing salaries.…

My #2 = €45k or so, but in my country (Netherlands) this number, usually, doesn't include pension contributions which are 6k a year in my firm. I don't actually know how much #3 is. But my #1 = (2330 * 12) * 1,125% (end of year bonus).

Geen Vakantiegeld?

Re: My somewhat complete salary history as a software engineer

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Post by maxerickson » Wed, Oct 31, 2018, 12:02 PM UTC

pgsandstrom wrote: post #237

sures wrote: post #103

I am a brown male working in India. The salaries are rounded to the nearest 100000 INR. USD values are rounded to the nearest 1000 USD. These are salaries per year . Need to emphasize this because when you see numbers like 3000 USD you may think this is per month. No it is indeed 3000 USD per year. When there are stocks involved, only the stocks that vest per year is included as part of the yearly salary. 2003 - 0 YO…

So you make 40 times more now than at the start of your career? Thats insane! I make a very good salary in Sweden and I've only doubled my salary in my 10 year long career.

High salaries in the US create quite an incentive to pay well for similarly skilled employees elsewhere.

Re: My somewhat complete salary history as a software engineer

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Post by dotancohen » Wed, Oct 31, 2018, 12:03 PM UTC

dotancohen wrote: post #80

I had to edit the CSS of that page just to read the important data. In particular, the table is too narrow and therefore has a horizontal scroll. Then important data (start and end salary) is to the right of the scroll. And then the dates are to the left of the scroll! The author brags that although he is currently out of work, as a white male he should have no problem finding work when he is ready (health-wise). I w…

To those downvoting: I'm not adding the white male part. That is the author of the fine article's argument!

Re: My somewhat complete salary history as a software engineer

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Post by azhenley » Wed, Oct 31, 2018, 12:03 PM UTC

ponyous wrote: post #241

sleepychu wrote: post #236

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why are you offended? The market considers them senior...

I spent 5+ years in the industry and felt weird calling myself senior. Just because you are a friend with CEO and he can vouch for your title doesn't make you senior. In 2 years of experience how many serious products can you take from start to finish? In my opinion, a senior developer is a person who did this multiple times. It's almost like calling yourself lead developer of 1 man team...

Being Lead Developer in a one person team definitely sounds reasonable. You are still the lead dev on the project and have to take on all the responsiblities (even more so than if the team was bigger?).