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Evergreen: a React UI Framework built by Segment
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#242Earlier quoted context omitted.
The question is: how many of these will be maintained several years later? Can you build a long term project on these? Or the expectation is that one has to make a new UI anyway every several years to keep up with the changing fashion, so rewrites are inevitable?
I think rewriting UI systems every few years and reimplementing in various JS frameworks that come and go is a serious waste of manpower. I'd so wish people would embrace web components properly once and for all, with LitElement, Svelte or Stencil. This way we won't have to live with another framework-bootstrap clone again and again and everyone can contribute to one solution that will work with all JS frameworks.
If I had to guess, I would guess that React will still be around in 5 years, but I'm not sure web components will. Sure, they may still be a part of the standard, but they might be so obscure that there isn't enough of a community around them to be a feasible option. So I don't think using web-components is the silver bullet you imagine.
Also, I haven't seen a lot of companies saying "Well, Angular is working great for us, but React is hot and trendy so let's rewrite the current UI in it". Rather, I think UI framework switches happen for two reasons:
- They've accumulated so much technical debt with their existing solution that progress has slowed to a crawl, developer morale is really low, etc. A migration strategy can be found that doesn't have such an upfront cost, and will dramatically improve velocity as features are converted.
- The design is totally changing, or the product is being rethought, and so it's not an invisible code rewrite, it's essentially building a new product.
I think in both of these cases, it's a good use of developer time.
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#243Earlier quoted context omitted.
https://stefankrause.net/js-frameworks-benchmark8/table.html - thats old lit release there vs react 16 (react pre 16 would be slower and everyone agrees its generally fast already), on slack channel I believe I saw newer release benchmarks that are better (it also depends at which specific test you look at). New version of repeat is interesting: https://slack-files.com/T03PF4L4C-FCY51FZAB-c2fcf32931
I compared my usual candidates: vue, inferno, Surplus and vanillajs, and lit-html was dead last overall in almost every category. Also slower than Preact now that I checked, so I'm not sure that performance benefits are one of lit-html's unique strengths.
Yup, notice that from the slack screenshot that I posted it has speed mark 1.18 that puts it before Vue in terms of speed (which makes it plenty fast IMO, and its not even stable yet), I never claimed it is the fastest one of the bunch.
Nicoburns said that "performance question is not solved" - I think we can agree than svelte and lit are fast in general, that was the point I wanted to make that it is the implementation that matters here.
Re: Evergreen: a React UI Framework built by Segment
#244I wish people would stop making UI frameworks in , and instead make it web components based with vanilla JS/very light lib dependency, so that everyone can enjoy the benefit. React is becoming a bubble of its own, and it's exclusive.
This is especially frustrating for job seekers. I've seen so many job listings calling for extensive experience with Bootstrap, for example. Why would knowledge of CSS and the grid system not suffice there?
It's a bit disheartening to see titles like "Ember ninja" and "Angular guru", if only because recruiters don't know that both of those things are just JavaScript frameworks.
I'm excited for Web Components but I wonder how it will play out practically. Do people put "HTML Expert" on their resumes today?
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#245What I don't get: Why is it just for React?
Same question here. Is this the honest reality nowadays, that only one frontend library/framework became "the standard"? It looks to me, that React is "the winner" and most of us should focus on this, because others just come and goes... Is that true?
People were saying that about jquery too. Vue is gaining a lot of traction too. This year it is STILL react being the one with biggest userbase, but that might not be true in a year or two. This discussion pops out every once in a while, IMO there is no "we should focus just on this" in IT world, landscape is ever changing.
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#246This list was posted a few weeks ago, but here is a fairly definitive list of similar UI frameworks: https://element.eleme.io/ https://ant.design/ https://quasar-framework.org/ https://at-ui.github.io/at-ui/ https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/fabric https://vmware.github.io/clarity/ http://appnexus.github.io/lucid/ https://ng-lightning.github.io/ng-lightning/ https://blueprintjs.com/ http://www.jetbrains.org/ring-…
Wouldn't React-native-web ( https://github.com/necolas/react-native-web ) qualify into this list ?
It offers APIs compatible with React-native (which is obviously a huge time saver for cross platform UI dev).
Its disadvantage is that it does not offer (by intent and philosophy) any components outside of React native.
Re: Evergreen: a React UI Framework built by Segment
#247I use Material UI, but I'm definitely stealing your color palette - great defaults.
Re: Evergreen: a React UI Framework built by Segment
#248We made our own: https://editor.construct.net/#open=kiwi-story Responsive (in terms of interaction with components) and lightweightedness were our top priorities when we started developing (~3 years ago) and no third party solutions seemed to fit the bill back then. Always a fear as well of reliance on third parties for such an important part of the product - is a very large technical risk for the entire business. We…
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#250Here's another framework, that raps around a library, that wraps around another framework, that wraps around another library.... please... stop making me learn new things to keep myself relevant in the vertigo-inducing swirling vortex that is Javascript.