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Re: The new MacBook Pros with T2 chips do indeed kernel panic randomly

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Post by gaius »

ChristianGeek wrote: post #202
skywhopper wrote: post #128

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"My next laptop will probably not be a mac." Yeah, you aren't the only one. They are seriously throwing away all the goodwill and reputation they'd built up over the past 20 years, over features no one is asking for like the touch bar and a ridiculously short key throw.

I’ve been using Macs since 1984. I even made it through the crap the company was producing during Jobs’ first absence (albeit barely). Right now my daily computer (which gets at least 10 hours of use a day) is a maxed out 2014 MBP. I love it...it’s the best laptop I’ve ever used, Windows or Mac. If it were to die today, however, I’d replace it with a 2015 MBP. I’ve been keeping my eye on the Surface too, and if it ke…

I’ve been keeping my eye on the Surface too

You won’t regret Surface, fantastic hardware and W10 is not nearly as bad as the haters say, esp. with WSL now. I’m a switcher from MBP myself and I am very happy with the decision.

Re: The new MacBook Pros with T2 chips do indeed kernel panic randomly

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Post by morganvachon »

eikenberry wrote: post #108
morganvachon wrote: post #76

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> Who are you going to get your laptop from now of you ignore all of those - especially if you're going to reinstall your OS immediately anyway? Clevo. They are a whitebox laptop manufacturer so you will find they are OEM for several smaller brands like MSI, Sager, and others. Yes they are Chinese market, but every laptop is made in China these days, even the big American names, so that part is unavoidable. If that t…

Clevo's hardware is not that great though. I've known several people get System76 Clevo systems and they've all been disappointed. I'm hopeful for System76's new systems, that they will up the quality significantly and make them compare-able to Thinkpads.

It may depend on the model; this guy got a lot of mileage out of his Clevo-made laptop:

https://bsdly.blogspot.com/2017/07/openbsd-and-modern-laptop...

Re: The new MacBook Pros with T2 chips do indeed kernel panic randomly

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Post by znpy »

saudioger wrote: post #115

IMO the 2015 Macbook Pro is one of the best laptops ever made. Don't know why they went and messed that up. I solidly regret the 2017 version. I've had one keyboard replacement already (that required the logic board to be replaced, seriously). Since then, I've already lost two keycaps. I've been ordering replacements online because they wanted me to ship it out for repair. My 2015 Macbook is being used daily by a fri…

> My 2015 Macbook is being used daily by a friend and is still in perfect shape.

This is the issue that Apple is solving: if your laptop still works, Apple can't milk you for more money.

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Post by robdachshund »

SyneRyder wrote: post #208
volkl48 wrote: post #181

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The main issue with a 2012 is that the hard drive cables fail constantly. But the part is cheap and even the technically clueless could replace it themselves with YouTube or ifixit.

Tell me about it! I'm using a 2012 MBP right now, and I love it, except that every 2 - 3 months the hard drive flex cable fails (except for one period where it happened to last 2 years). I'm on my 4th cable, and Apple isn't offering any remedy except "when it breaks again, bring it in again and we'll replace it for free again". At least the last time I took it in, the guy replaced it on the spot in 15 minutes while I…

Lol the hdd is connected with a flex cable? Why isn't the SATA port soldered to the board?

Good god

Re: The new MacBook Pros with T2 chips do indeed kernel panic randomly

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Post by robdachshund »

jsjohnst wrote: post #133
bluecat22 wrote: post #125

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I think the issue will be that either your Mac will be unsupported for OSX Mojave or at most in an year or so while your machine physically will still be in good working condition.

> I think the issue will be that either your Mac will be unsupported What precedent do you have for believing that to be true? The only time Apple has done that in the past is major platform changes (aka PowerPC and later 32bit CoreDuos). Unless Apple shifts to ARM (which is easily a couple years out at best) or Intel comes out with a 128bit processor (which isn’t even remotely on the roadmap), I’d say you are safe f…

Ever updated a year old apple product? It will run like dogshit. Sold my iPad 3 because it was unusable with iOS 7.

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Post by skinnymuch »

dan15 wrote: post #199
swaggyBoatswain wrote: post #105

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Buy a 2015 macbook pro, its the last one without any issues, superior keyboard, legacy ports as well. Smaller more compact touchpad as well The only downside is it is only thunderbolt 2, and they recently went away with external GPU support for new macOS updates. I paid $1500 for mine in practically brand new mint condition on amazon, buying a new a 2018 version was $2500 roughly for something that also had 512 GB SS…

> Also, programming environment is just so much nicer IMO on mac. Really? I had a Mac for a few years, but I found that I didn't like the environment as much as either Windows or Linux. A lot of programming environments work best on a Linux-like environment and don't do so well on something BSD-like (such as MacOS). There's a lot of open source software that only works on Windows and Linux, too... MacOS has such a sm…

It must depend on niche. For web development sort of things or python sort of scripting, it is Windows that is regularly ignored the most by a wide margin.

Re: The new MacBook Pros with T2 chips do indeed kernel panic randomly

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Post by h1d »

znpy wrote: post #243
saudioger wrote: post #115

IMO the 2015 Macbook Pro is one of the best laptops ever made. Don't know why they went and messed that up. I solidly regret the 2017 version. I've had one keyboard replacement already (that required the logic board to be replaced, seriously). Since then, I've already lost two keycaps. I've been ordering replacements online because they wanted me to ship it out for repair. My 2015 Macbook is being used daily by a fri…

> My 2015 Macbook is being used daily by a friend and is still in perfect shape. This is the issue that Apple is solving: if your laptop still works, Apple can't milk you for more money.

Short sight solution at best. People will leave on the next purchase.

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Post by smohare »

w1nt3rmu4e wrote: post #186
skywhopper wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"My next laptop will probably not be a mac." Yeah, you aren't the only one. They are seriously throwing away all the goodwill and reputation they'd built up over the past 20 years, over features no one is asking for like the touch bar and a ridiculously short key throw.

Have to pile on here. I have a 2017 and use it mostly with an eternal keyboard and monitors but I am shocked when I use the built in keyboard. It is really bad to type on -- all for what? A few fractions of an inch in thickness? I had a first gen MacBook 12 and was ok with the horrible keyboard given its purpose of maximum portability. But on a desktop replacement / primary machine? What the hell were they thinking?…

I don’t love the new keyboards, but I program without any incident on them, though I try to cultivate a light, clean typing style.

I’ll even go so far as to say that I don’t mind the Touch Bar. But I rarely used media / fn keys to begin with and use C-[ for ESC where I can (e.g, vim). Often when I do use the Touch Bar it is to perform an action that replaces mouse / keyboard gestures (a plus, for me). Do not get me wrong though, the Touch Bar also displays a lot of useless information.

I’m not sure if I’d want fn keys on my next laptop (a fair number of my desktop keyboards don’t even have them), but realize other people’s workflows likely utilize them more.

What I would love is a modern, low profile, programmable mechanical keyboard though!

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Post by ChrisLTD »

lloeki wrote: post #220
jpangs88 wrote: post #204

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Apple does have one model without a touchbar but it's thirteen inch and has lower specs. I am pretty sure it too has a T2 chip and the same keyboard flaws. It's what I'd buy if I bought a Mac but I don't think I will.

Since the T2 chip is mostly about the Touch Bar / Touch ID / secure enclave then no, the FN MBP doesn't have the T2 chip nor BridgeOS. Also, the FN MBP hardware hasn't been upgraded at all like the TB ones were, so the CPU is one gen earlier and thus dual core, while keyboard flaws remain since it's a non-fixed keyboard (the one without the rubber thingies)

Looks like the 2018 models haven’t exactly solved the keyboard issues.

https://twitter.com/ismh/status/1030260782699892739?s=20

https://twitter.com/gruber/status/1030523625726779394?s=20

Re: The new MacBook Pros with T2 chips do indeed kernel panic randomly

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Post by ncrmro »

ncrmro wrote: post #192

I’ve watched my 2017 thermal throttle before it became a thing. I type on mechanical keyboard and plug the laptop into thunderbolt 3 dock to 32” 4” monitor. I’m ok with the limitations it is a thin client survived and work fine still after a motercycle accident with some dings I worked in the middle of the desert on the Pakistan borders and on trains across India. I have kvm baremetal hypervisor and a nas so I rdp in…

Who downvotes these comments how about you make an actually response.

Gave you personal anecdotes on why you might want ultra light 13” laptop with thin keys and just a downvote.

Starting to realise the people who actually know what there talking about don't comment to much because it's not really worth our time.

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