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PeerTube, the “Decentralized YouTube”, succeeds in crowdfunding

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Re: PeerTube, the “Decentralized YouTube”, succeeds in crowdfunding

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So I have a friend who has a pretty popular YouTube channel and one of the things he complains about is that some users are stealing and them uploading his videos in bulk and moneytise them. The benefit of having a central authority is that you can at least complain about your stolen copyright, with a decentralized network it will seem like a very difficult task since there is no regulation, unless I am missing somet…

Has your friend looked at watermarking?

Re: PeerTube, the “Decentralized YouTube”, succeeds in crowdfunding

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People want viable services not "tech". Red flag: both their concept as well as name have YT's brand name in it. The equivalent of calling your company "Uber for X". I'm all for decentralization where it makes sense - but this seems like they might be shooting themselves in the foot everywhere EXCEPT the tech (which, ultimately won't matter if they fail). From the article: "Online since March 2018 in a beta version,…

$60k is mind-blowingly low. I wouldn't expect much, if anything from this site.

It got to the top of HN. That speaks to a tremendous demand. Most startups fail not because of money raised but because they don't have product market fit. People want this product to exist, but... the question is, will they actually use it. lol.

Re: PeerTube, the “Decentralized YouTube”, succeeds in crowdfunding

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$60k is mind-blowingly low. I wouldn't expect much, if anything from this site.

It got to the top of HN. That speaks to a tremendous demand. Most startups fail not because of money raised but because they don't have product market fit. People want this product to exist, but... the question is, will they actually use it. lol.

The audience of HackerNews is vastly smaller than the audience of YouTube.

Re: PeerTube, the “Decentralized YouTube”, succeeds in crowdfunding

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I'm not wrong. We have moved towards a world of centralized services because that's what people want. To many people it's the centralized services that "are" the Internet: YouTube, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram—that's it. YouTube is the lowest common denominator of video. You aren't going to "fix" its problems with a more complex decentralized network. If you want to solve the problems with YouTube you have to do it w…

> We have moved towards a world of centralized services because that's what people want. We have moved towards a world of centralised services because decentralised ones are—by definition—difficult to monetise for the platform/software-maintainer(s). What people want is irrelevant when all potential options have to be initially well-funded: the choice is too restrictively limited to perform an honest comparison. > To…

>in fact it's strongly incentivised to make what they're looking for as difficult to find as possible so that they'll spend hours and hours binging vacuous addictive content looking for something but never quite finding it and getting no satisfaction from the experience.

Reddit and Original (as in when it was college email addresses only) Facebook are / were really good at this.

You may go to either one with some idea of what you want to check out but hours later realize you went down a rabbit hole that never ended.

I'm not too sure Youtube is anywhere near as good as Reddit is or Facebook used to be but some people are right in saying that some of the changes Youtube has made makes it easier for a user to snap back to reality and realize it's time to get off of Youtube because it's not serving you anything you want to watch -- because like you said it's hard to find by design.

Re: PeerTube, the “Decentralized YouTube”, succeeds in crowdfunding

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It got to the top of HN. That speaks to a tremendous demand. Most startups fail not because of money raised but because they don't have product market fit. People want this product to exist, but... the question is, will they actually use it. lol.

The audience of HackerNews is vastly smaller than the audience of YouTube.

It's a decent audience, plenty of mainstream products started with a HN audience. reddit, dropbox, etc.

Re: PeerTube, the “Decentralized YouTube”, succeeds in crowdfunding

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You all miss one important advantage small sites have over the media giants: Attention economy for giant sites allocates zero to nothing share for new content creators, smaller content creators occupy proportionally more space because the userbase is smaller. Its much easier to get to top 1000 or top 10k when there much less users, regardless of quality or talent. This means more representation in search results, categories, related videos,etc.

Re: PeerTube, the “Decentralized YouTube”, succeeds in crowdfunding

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What the people who want decentralized services don't realize is that the content creators want centralized services (whether they realize it or not). In the old days we needed YouTube because you needed a Flash encoder if you wanted to make video accessible on the web to everyone. Now anyone can host video on anything. You can throw even throw some comments on the bottom if you want. But what those who create want i…

> How many attempts at decentralized social networks have failed? All of them.

This is why we have to keep trying :)

Re: PeerTube, the “Decentralized YouTube”, succeeds in crowdfunding

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> We have moved towards a world of centralized services because that's what people want. We have moved towards a world of centralised services because decentralised ones are—by definition—difficult to monetise for the platform/software-maintainer(s). What people want is irrelevant when all potential options have to be initially well-funded: the choice is too restrictively limited to perform an honest comparison. > To…

>in fact it's strongly incentivised to make what they're looking for as difficult to find as possible so that they'll spend hours and hours binging vacuous addictive content looking for something but never quite finding it and getting no satisfaction from the experience. Reddit and Original (as in when it was college email addresses only) Facebook are / were really good at this. You may go to either one with some ide…

Actually I am finding content is getting stale. I used it for mechanic videos, how-tos, product reviews, and tech videos. Since they cut the "low" end and there is little incentive for people with a couple dozen mechanic vidoes to make $150...I am seeing more and more videos at 6-8 months with nothing new. Tech videos yes but smaller channels are dying and I am finding less of what I need.

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Really? I don't agree here. I've never seen any that weren't being pushed to one of the major podcast apps - and thusly centralized. I mean, the whole term comes from the fact that it was originally downloadable to your iPod through iTunes. None of the podcasts I've ever found could really be considered decentralized - they might have a webpage somewhere, sure, but if they're not in Apple's iTunes/Podcast app, I'm no…

You may choose to go through a big integrated directory-and-player system, but the content is read into Apple Podcasts via feeds of a standardized format hosted across the internet, and your device is also downloading the audio content from arbitrary third-party servers. Because of this, I can---and do---quite happily pull down those same feeds and content directly to my own Android device via my app of choice.

By the same token, people can choose to watch videos on YouTube/Dailymotion/Vimeo; or they can seek out self-hosted videos on the same topic all over the internet, which they can either stream or download to their device of choice. The presence of an extremely small minority does not change the real centralization of the marketplace as a whole.

Re: PeerTube, the “Decentralized YouTube”, succeeds in crowdfunding

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Wasting incredible sums of money and effort and resources is our way of life. We distrust each other, we compete, we hoard, we waste.

Here's a crowdfunded, decentralized YouTube. Crowdfunded. Decentralized. I don't see why everyone is using private business and investment lingo. People seem to be missing the point entirely. Also, if your startup fails and you didn't actually learn anything or made anything remotely usefull, that's a waste. This doesn't seem like a "waste". It's crowdfunded. The type of people supporting this probably couldn't care…

Sure. But for it not to be a waste, they really do have to learn something. What hypotheses are they testing? What can this project tell us that we can't learn from the history of decentralized efforts?

I'm not saying that there isn't anything. Just that new efforts should be making new mistakes.

(Also, the reason to use investment lingo is that investment is the field that specializes in examining cost-benefit tradeoffs for resource usage that hopefully leads to human benefit.)

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