We are not progressing as a world society. The world is retreating. This is why people of conscience and ethics must double our effects to secure freedom for every person in the world. I condemn this legislation by the European parliament.
European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill
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Re: European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill
#242Does anyone have a list of which MEPs voted for and against? I can't find it yet.
Re: European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill
#243Earlier quoted context omitted.
The law was basically made at the publisher’s behest to get Google to pay them. So far, it has spectularly backfired. In Germany, Google started to delist news sites from their index. After traffic dropped, the publishers gave Google a license to link freely. Law defeated. In Spain, they went a bit further and wrote into the law that Google had to list news sites in their index. So Google News shut down in Spain. Law…
>>> In Germany, Google started to delist news sites from their index. After traffic dropped, the publishers gave Google a license to link freely. Law defeated. I don't know the detail but the way you put it seems very fair to me. Law protect publishers against Google, so they can say to Google "no", except that their interest is to say "yes". So they say "yes". Looks to me that even if the end result is the same, the…
Re: European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill
#244This is what happens when those in control don't understand, know or care about the things they regulate. So I guess this is bad. --goes and reads article-- > Article 11, requiring online platforms to pay publishers a fee if they link to their news content, was also approved. What the fucking FUCK? Pay to send companies actual traffic? Pay to be allowed to use the basic building-block of the world wide web on the wor…
The law was basically made at the publisher’s behest to get Google to pay them. So far, it has spectularly backfired. In Germany, Google started to delist news sites from their index. After traffic dropped, the publishers gave Google a license to link freely. Law defeated. In Spain, they went a bit further and wrote into the law that Google had to list news sites in their index. So Google News shut down in Spain. Law…
Re: European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill
#245This is what happens when those in control don't understand, know or care about the things they regulate. So I guess this is bad. --goes and reads article-- > Article 11, requiring online platforms to pay publishers a fee if they link to their news content, was also approved. What the fucking FUCK? Pay to send companies actual traffic? Pay to be allowed to use the basic building-block of the world wide web on the wor…
You seem to have it all figured out. Did you do any serious research on the subject that could perhaps justify your perspective? You criticize the proposal mostly because it brings change, but you do not really analyze its impact.
The lawmakers in the committee have probably spent hours studying this proposal and discussing it in detail with field experts and other affected parties. The result of their vote was far from unanimous, which means that they were not able to reach a generally acceptable consensus. To me, that indicates that the judgement about the proposal is not simple or straightforward and that quick conclusions of the "hold my beer" type should be avoided.
Re: European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill
#246> They voted to approve the controversial Article 13, which critics warn could put an end to memes, remixes and other user-generated content. This won’t put an end to memes. It might encourage innovation around decentralization, though. It won’t end the internet, but given all of the stuff like this happening recently, it might be time for the internet to evolve. The technologies have been around for a while as a cur…
Re: European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill
#247Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's not illegal, so that would require a law change. Which is what this article is about.
It sounds very much like discrimination - if no other aggregator / news site gets the same treatment.
On that argument the Spanish version of the copyright law, Google decided to shut down News for Spain completely.
Re: European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill
#248Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sure, but most of it isn't particularly interesting for EU readers. The vast majority isn't even in their own language.
Only temporarily. A lot of publishers would be happy to increase their current market share to cover EU content. At least for English, French and Spanish, I could easily see some foreign media boosting their traffic.
Re: European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill
#249A Couple of things: Mainstream news outlets on this side of the atlantic didn't do much reporting on this vote which might signal tacit support on their part (at least for the link payment portion of this thing which is frankly the sillies part) and that should shape everyone's understanding of their coverage of tech companies in general. Second, it's hard not to notice that much of what the EU does is trying to hurt…
> Second it's hard not to notice that much of what the EU does is try to hurt US tech companies These are European laws designed to regulate industry inside the EU. If an American company decides to do business in the EU they're subject to the same rules as any business already operating inside the EU. So claiming this is designed to hurt US tech companies is quite a reach. If you feel American tech companies are bei…
More like regulating industry which are accessible within the EU, which may not even be EU based. So these laws have broader reach, similar to how the US DMCA had broader effective reach.
> If an American company decides to do business in the EU they're subject to the same rules as any business already operating inside the EU.
If an internet service decides not to ban access to EU users, they become subject to these laws. It doesn’t matter whether the company is based in the EU or not for the law to apply, but rather if they are serving EU users.
This is similar to laws passed by states like NY and CA in the US which require things like privacy policies to have certain disclosures, the effect is that regardless of the law coming from a specific jurisdiction, due to the nature of the Internet and not wanting to turn customers away through geographical blocking, companies far and wide get roped into following these local regs.
> So claiming this is designed to hurt US tech companies is quite a reach. If you feel American tech companies are being hit harder than their EU counterparts then perhaps that is because those American tech companies were attempting to game the system to begin with.
So here’s where I think you’ve made an unjustified leap. It’s very possible to pass an unfair or hairbrained law which applies to everyone operating in or serving a jurisdiction (EU) and even where the terms of the law apply evenly to all companies, but where the practical impact of the law is targeted to impact specific players in the market.
It’s clearly obvious (just look at the actual discussion of the politicians as they work to enact these laws) that they are motivated by an intense dislike of US tech company dominance in the EU.
But the amusing thing is the laws so far have just managed to further establish US tech dominance. So we see an ongoing escalation where nationalistic bias against specific companies drives increasingly poor public policy.
> It's really no different to how goods manufactured outside of the US still have to adhere to American safety regulations if they want to get sold inside the US.
It’s similar in the sense that they are both domestic policies which have international reach. For example, we’ve seen product safety around lead content in children’s toys due to Chinese imports with lead.
The key difference is that the policy is made completely ignorant of specific companies deemed “responsible” but follow from a pure general principle “lead should never be in children’s toys.”
In this case we have obviously terrible policy (“you should have to pay to link to someone on the Internet”) because the underlying principle driving the new regulation is in fact more like “how do we save old media in the face of big bad Google”?
Re: European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill
#250Earlier quoted context omitted.
Is there a list of who voted and how available anywhere?
I wonder if any of these people have received campaign funding from entrenched industries that benefit from draconian copyright laws? Having said that, GDPR has actually turned out to be a very well thought through piece of legislation - I actually agree with it's premises largely and the fact we can't take a database dump anymore and have full access to people's personal details is an extremely good thing IMO. How F…