The best decision I made in 2018 was to start a new year without Facebook. I deleted my account permanently.
Facebook spamming users via their 2FA phone numbers
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We might be seeing the (slow) decline of Facebook, but in no way will we see the decline of social media that causes those bad effects.
Unless there is a sufficient cultural backlash for social media _in general_ to become 'uncool'. "Look at that loser. Spends all his time checking Instagram." Is it Machiavellian to wonder how we could memetically inoculate children against social media?
It could become a low class thing like consuming soda.
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Out of curiosity, who or what has designated you an “ethical UX designer”? I’m sure you could find an Apple designer who would claim that forcing people to upgrade ensures that their device is patched and secure, preventing many potentially livelihood threatening problems down the line, so they are just as ethical of an UX designer as you are, if not more so since you do not want to protect people from their device b…
Only if the incessant streams of breaking updates were primarily about device security would this be a valid argument.
The invocation of “primarily” here suggests that your mind is refusing to address reality because it conflicts with your ideals.
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#244Finally, somewhere I can appropriately vent about this. About TWO years ago I was constantly annoyed by the 'secure your account: add your phone number here' banner frequently displayed at the top of the page upon loading FB, so I input my number to make it disappear for good. (Also, they kept hiding the 'x' (close) icon in different spots, making the banner difficult to dismiss.) A few days later I got a text messag…
I had a similar experience around a year ago, with Facebook texting me a notification out of the blue to the number I had set up for 2FA. In a show of futile-yet-satisfying passive aggression, I texted back "go away" to the robot... which promptly posted it as a status update on my timeline, to the confusion and concern of my friends until I noticed and took it down.
What a brilliant dark pattern! Make people's assumed private snotty replies to them public and visible to their peers.
They out passive aggressived you like a ninja.
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#245This happened to me too. The value of being on facebook is an illusion. In person relationships are vastly more rewarding, both emotionally and financially.
Many of us have family spread all over the country. I can keep in contact with them all via a facebook group instead of one at a time over the phone or group text (...not that my mother would understand how to do that) or the like. Even if you don't appreciate how it connects you to your friends (if it even does), surely you can appreciate how it can connect you to your family.
I refuse to add family on FB because I try not to use it at all. There are some community groups that I use it for or I'll be left in the dark.
I've had good luck getting family on Keybase. No ads, no frills. Messages, groups, photos and encryption. What isn't too like. I like my git repo, but that is just a bonus.
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#246Earlier quoted context omitted.
Unless there is a sufficient cultural backlash for social media _in general_ to become 'uncool'. "Look at that loser. Spends all his time checking Instagram." Is it Machiavellian to wonder how we could memetically inoculate children against social media?
No. Not at all. We teach kids about a lot of dangers already. Some are real, some are highly exaggerated. For-profit social media is a thing we’re starting to realize may be a complicated, subtle danger. Maybe all social media. Maybe just corporate-owned social media.
Yeah, that's what I meant :) I run my own Mattermost server for friends and family.
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I would argue that you have an ethical responsibility to fight that battle. Here in Australia, when you become a software engineer, you join the Engineers of Australia, become a chartered Engineer with some additional civic rights and responsibilities, and swear an oath which includes upholding ethics values, much like doctors swear an oath to do no harm. I hope this kind of thing becomes universal and more prominent…
I've been an Australian software engineer for 20 years and this is the first I've heard about "Engineers of Australia". Source?
I think parent is referring to Engineers Australia (formally, the Institution of Engineers, Australia), which is the professional body to which most engineery-engineers belong.
Most "Bachelor of Software Engineering" degrees offered by Australian universities are EA-accredited and contain mandatory engineering courses that EA requires. Most CS/IT degrees that don't have "Engineering" in the degree name are only accredited by the ACS (or potentially not accredited at all).
I'm also an Australian software "engineer", I don't have an EA-accredited degree, and the more I see of this industry, the less certain I am that we get to claim the mantle of "engineer" with the professional responsibilities that go with it.
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$0 if you own enough lobbyists and congressmen.
That kind of response is too cynical, and just discouragement from actually trying to fight the problem.
Cynical? I'd call it realistic. If anyone wants to fight the problem, delete your account. That is the only value that you can take away from that company.
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I don't want to delete my account either, because I use fb to stay in contact with friends spread around the globe. (Granted: Very rarely to post something in local groups also.) But my bookmark points to facebook.com/messages and I practically never look on my feed. I guess (/hope) I'm about as valuable as a deleted account to facebook. Please feel free to correct me if you have some insights into this!
I just think you need to be cognizant of how Facebook is tracking you across websites as well. It's not just the information you have associated with your account, when you are logged into Facebook, you are tracked wherever you go. Now, there are certainly ways to limit this using plugins, etc.
Yikes- wow, even from my computer browser- not even from my cell phone? If I have facebook password autosaved, log in, check facebook, and close the window without logging out, is it still tracking me? Damn. I did NOT realize this.
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No, it's not an illusion and it has nothing to do with facebook only relationships (I don't even know what that is). All the people I contact on facebook I have in person relationships with. For well over the past 3 years its primary function has been as an organizational tool for my close group of friends. Few of us update our status or regularly post on there anymore. They live in different cities, states, or count…
Its not that hard to sign up for an account on airtable or trello or whatever service.
> Until someone makes an organizing tool that can break the network effect facebook has with my friend group, I'll have a facebook account.