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USCIS is challenging an unusually large number of H-1B applications

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Re: USCIS is challenging an unusually large number of H-1B applications

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Post by FireBeyond »

nonamechicken wrote: post #166
xraystyle wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The stated purpose of the H1-B program is to allow companies to fill vacancies with international applicants if they are unable to find US employees qualified for the roles. I've never heard any sane, rational person object to this use case. The issue most people have is that the program seems to be rampantly abused. Companies are replacing US workers with H1-B's sourced from companies like Tata and Infosys at much l…

Infosys and TCS together received 7,504 approved H1B visas in 2014-15, which is only 8.8% of the total approved H1B visas, says Nasscom http://www.livemint.com/Industry/pHkRcTtIoKd8MkTkBNdtSN/Info...

I think "only" is an odd choice of words.

In a country as large as the US, that two consulting companies picked up nearly 10% of the country's visa allotment for a certain category of worker is part of the problem in itself.

Re: USCIS is challenging an unusually large number of H-1B applications

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Post by gozur88 »

anigbrowl wrote: post #217
gozur88 wrote: post #103

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>A sizeable portion of Trump's base believes that they are in danger of becoming a minority in "their own" country... Why did you put scare quotes around "their own"? Is it not their own country? Culture changes over time no matter what you do, but is it completely unreasonable to want your culture to change slowly enough that you can still function in your dotage?

We could put them on reservations or something where they can enjoy their simpler way of life undisturbed by the forces of progress.

This sort of attitude is why Trump is president.

Re: USCIS is challenging an unusually large number of H-1B applications

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Post by andonisus »

rrhd wrote: post #186
andonisus wrote: post #179

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Because we would like our country to prefer our own citizens for such jobs, when possible.

Okay, hire 23 year old americans instead of 40 year old americans. Still not seeing why it's wrong.

That would be the ideal case, but instead employers seek out H1-B workers.

Re: USCIS is challenging an unusually large number of H-1B applications

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Post by Zigurd »

damnyou wrote: post #60
xraystyle wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The stated purpose of the H1-B program is to allow companies to fill vacancies with international applicants if they are unable to find US employees qualified for the roles. I've never heard any sane, rational person object to this use case. The issue most people have is that the program seems to be rampantly abused. Companies are replacing US workers with H1-B's sourced from companies like Tata and Infosys at much l…

> The stated purpose of the H1-B program is to allow companies to fill vacancies with international applicants if they are unable to find US employees qualified for the roles. This canard keeps getting repeated in HN threads. This is WRONG. 100% absolutely completely WRONG. The only stated purpose of the H-1B program is to allow foreigners with degrees (or equivalent experience) to perform skilled work in the US. Her…

You are accurately reflecting the status quo, now that impediments to wage-depressing use of H-1B are so thoroughly lawyered into submission. But H1-B requirements say, among several other related things, that employers must consider U.S. candidates in "in good faith."

That's laughable unless you take the legalistic view that, unless it's been litigated not to be in good faith, that's good (faith) enough. Companies like Tata exist only to import cheaper workers. Saying otherwise amounts to claiming you might just want to hold hands with that person from the escort service.

It's also insulting to those who can see the difference between an R&D organization doing a worldwide search for a CTO and a "body shop."

Re: USCIS is challenging an unusually large number of H-1B applications

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Post by damnyou »

bischofs wrote: post #36
komali2 wrote: post #13

Conservatives may generally view this as "good" regardless of the impact because (according to arguments I've heard) "the less globalization, the better." In my mind, however, it boils down to two pretty simple points: Given that (1) the US is lagging far behind every developed nation in education, and higher education in the US is prohibitively expensive compared to other developed nations, (2) the only way for the…

To play devils advocate, at this point in time with the highest rate of immigration in the history of the country (i think 13%) "conservatives" are looking out for the american citizens that are losing out to these high skilled (and low skilled) immigrants. Why is it that we cannot compete with foreign companies with native workers? Why should those countries be okay with losing their top talent? Shoudnt we solve the…

> Why should those countries be okay with losing their top talent?

What sort of thinking is this? People stopped being subjects of their countries a while ago. Countries should compete for people, not trap them. If a country isn't OK with losing its top talent it should fix its institutions to make itself competitive.

You know what country doesn't allow its citizens to leave? North Korea.

Besides, remittances are a thing.

Re: USCIS is challenging an unusually large number of H-1B applications

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Post by raincom »

dominotw wrote: post #231
bduerst wrote: post #213

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Is there something wrong with OES or SCA? How exactly?

Its gamed in many ways. Here is one example, bodyshops are based out of some small town in michigan and they use local prevailing wage for h1b application but employee is sent out to work at newyork .

Actually, it is tough to operate such body shops: USCIS has hired contractors to do audits/random checks on these consulting companies and their employees. So, outright fraud is very hard these days. That's also another reason why USCIS is going after the employers, who are not typical body shops operating out of some office in Edison, NJ., Kalamazoo, MI., etc.

Re: USCIS is challenging an unusually large number of H-1B applications

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Post by smsm42 »

bllguo wrote: post #158
smsm42 wrote: post #69

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> the US is lagging far behind every developed nation in education I'd like to hear the list of places doing far better than MIT, Caltech, Stanford, Berkeley, etc. in STEM fields. I mean I know there are pretty good schools around, but can you really say MIT is "lagging far behind" them? > higher education in the US is prohibitively expensive That's because when you buy "higher education" in US you buy something enti…

Oh please. The US is laughably poor in every aspect of education besides US top universities. Don't reframe things, he never said the top institutions of the US were worse.

And you are supporting this claim with... "oh please"? You want to prove US education system is inadequate to supply the workforce for technological companies, I believe it is not so, US has very good supply of necessary talent in the field. Please produce your evidence why you think it is not so.

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Post by pfarnsworth »

hkmurakami wrote: post #132
smsm42 wrote: post #69

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> the US is lagging far behind every developed nation in education I'd like to hear the list of places doing far better than MIT, Caltech, Stanford, Berkeley, etc. in STEM fields. I mean I know there are pretty good schools around, but can you really say MIT is "lagging far behind" them? > higher education in the US is prohibitively expensive That's because when you buy "higher education" in US you buy something enti…

I would go even further to say that the best US students are often "better" than the best international counterparts, because the US runs a primary and secondary education system with a philosophy to grow the standout students as much as possible. The best high schools encourage their top students to really dive deep into their subject of interest, rather than focus on improving the performance of laggards or general…

This is definitely not the case for public schools in CA, for the most part. That's why I'm basically forced to sending my children to private schools at considerable cost ($30k/yr/child).

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Post by damnyou »

andonisus wrote: post #240
damnyou wrote: post #234

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"Because we would like our race to prefer its own members for such jobs, when possible."

How is that at all equivalent to what I said?

Changing your in-group from being based on race to being based on citizenship doesn't change the basic immorality of your position.

Re: USCIS is challenging an unusually large number of H-1B applications

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Post by dmix »

giobox wrote: post #227
dmix wrote: post #208

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> If you honestly believe the Executive in the US has this little influence on policy agenda, Again, I never said that, or that he writes it directly himself. This is why I don't debate politics on the internet. My point is the bill is primarily a congressional matter, and is not at the whims of just the president the way an executive order would be, as was suggested above.

> This is why I don't debate politics on the internet. This thread and your post history strongly suggest otherwise!

I post occasionally about political topics but I rarely engage in debates (the key word here).

I find the other person usually just digs in their heels the more you reply...

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