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> Money that you spend on buying software, hiring etc isn’t generally taxable anyway. A business is generally taxed on income, not revenue. But reducing my quarterly and annual tax liabilies allows me to spend more on these things because there is more cash for the business at the end of the day.

If you're growing your company based on cash-flow you're slowly strangling your company to death. If it's profitable, leverage it. You don't have to go nuts and borrow millions, but if you can generate a better return on debt than the interest rate, which shouldn't be too hard given today's interest rates, you can build your business faster. If you're aggressively expanding your company you'll be channelling any prof…

I've seen this "get a better accountant" argument posted on HN quite a bit. But, aren't liberals outraged about the tax loopholes for the "weathly"? We shouldn't need the loopholes, just reduce the rates.

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Internet? Everybody with 2 or more computers tried to connect them together. Without the internet we'd have BIX, FidoNet, Compuserve, Prodigy, MCImail, RBBS, or any of innumerable other schemes to network computers. Jet engines? Governments refused to fund jet engine development until they were confronted with FLYING jet aircraft. This happened in both England and Germany. The US government ordered Lockheed to stop w…

Internet? Everybody with 2 or more computers tried to connect them together. Those computers developed from the code-breaking machinery in WW2 you mean?

The thing is, in total war the military uses all resources—people, money, ideas. Without the World Wars, who knows how technology would've progresses on it's own—since we can't compare it's disingenuous to say it's only because of these wars.

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Hi Vasili - I don't think you understand. He bought an office building on Wall Street in the mid-1990s for $1 million. That's a price so low that it's shady. As usual with Trump, he buys real estate at prices that don't make sense unless you assume there's another half to the trade. Then he borrows money against the building's supposed increase in value and uses that debt as income without an income tax. His deals ar…

do you have any evidence that buying an office building on wall street for 1 million in the 90s is a shady price that doesn't make sense? also, how in the world did you bring facebook into this conversation?

It’s not just “an office building”, it’s a 71 story skyscraper. Even setting aside its highly desirable location a $1M price makes no sense.

The thing is, though, that the only source I can find for the $1M purchase price is Trump’s own mouth, while bragging about its real value (hundreds of millions), and we know he lies and exaggerates all the time.

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It's the wrong angle. One should not look at corporations as the moral saviours. As Supreme Court Judge Learned Hand once said: "Over and over again courts have said that there is nothing 851*851 sinister in so arranging one's affairs as to keep taxes as low as possible. Everybody does so, rich or poor; and all do right, for nobody owes any public duty to pay more than the law demands: taxes are enforced exactions, n…

> It's the wrong angle. One should not look at corporations as the moral saviours. It's too late. You're arguing a return to the past, "money is just money, corporations are just doing what's in their self interest." That's still the dominant ideology, but it's on the wane. It will be replaced when cash is replaced. Cash will be replaced by bonds. I won't pay McDonalds in cash for a burger, I will pay them in a bond…

How are you going to persuade large vendors to accept your microbonds? It's an interesting take, but we've had competitive currencies in the past and they have their own problems. I'd like to persuaded of this, links are fine too.

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"Justice" means upholding laws? Most of the world has signed conventions that makes basic livelihood a right -- and puts it on the state to ensure this. Perhaps you don't agree with these laws and conventions. But please consider that the very concept of "ownership" and "property" is also something that is only upheld by laws. Also on a pragmatic level, why should those without property acknowledge and support a stat…

> to social unrest / revolutions that causes problems for rich people as well. Some problems for sure, but it's probably manageable. Poverty is not and should never be an excuse for crime. Rich people can build as many prisons as necessary.

>Poverty is not and should never be an excuse for crime.

If I'm starving to death and you're hogging the bread, I'm taking it from you. The law is not morality. At some point (I don't think we're there yet today, but we're heading in that direction) I think crime - stealing in particular - is more excusable when the rich have stacked the deck.

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post #212

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Hi Vasili - I don't think you understand. He bought an office building on Wall Street in the mid-1990s for $1 million. That's a price so low that it's shady. As usual with Trump, he buys real estate at prices that don't make sense unless you assume there's another half to the trade. Then he borrows money against the building's supposed increase in value and uses that debt as income without an income tax. His deals ar…

do you have any evidence that buying an office building on wall street for 1 million in the 90s is a shady price that doesn't make sense? also, how in the world did you bring facebook into this conversation?

He bought it for 1/8th of the price it sold for two years earlier. During those two years, the US economy was on an upswing.

http://www.nytimes.com/1995/12/07/business/40-wall-street-is...

And the building looks like this: https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2016-trump-40-wall-street...

It's a shady price, and a shady building, because he now rents it out to crooks like himself. (See Bloomberg piece.)

In the future, do your own research. It's just a Google away.

I bring up your Facebook comment because this is the second time you've come down on the side of the Kremlin and the conman they helped plant in the White House. It's an interesting pattern.

Edit: Responding to your comment below due to limits on nested comments on HN.

40 Wall is a well known center of criminal activity.

"Since Donald Trump took over 40 Wall St. in 1995, prosecutors have filed criminal charges against at least 29 people connected to 12 alleged scams tied to the building. Nine other firms have faced serious regulatory claims. Authorities prevailed in most but not all of the cases."

Trump also housed Trump University there, as well as Trump Mortgage, which shuttered the year before the 2008 crash. Trump paid $25 million to settle charges of fraud against Trump U.

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/trump-university-sett...

This isn't the only Trump property associated with large-scale crime. Trump's Taj Mahal casino was fined a record amount in 2015 for violations of anti-money laundering regulations, because it claimed to have lost records of all transactions for years.

http://fortune.com/2015/02/11/trump-taj-mahal-casino-settles...

Trump has effectively led and profited from an international money-laundering syndicate for years. He is the leader of an organized crime family. He became president of the US with the help of dirty money and dirty tricks. Much coming from Russia.

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Anyone with less than half the money the militars spend should had "got" me all those things. Militars have that awful economic drag building expensive things just to blow them in some far away place without any return.

Anyone with less than half the money the militars spend should had "got" me all those things. But they didn't. As the old saying goes, the Swiss had peace for 500 years and all they invented was the cuckoo clock.

The quote:

"You know what the fellow said—in Italy, for thirty years under the Borgias, they had warfare, terror, murder, and bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci, and the Renaissance. In Switzerland, they had brotherly love, and they had 500 years of democracy and peace. And what did that produce? The cuckoo clock."

The Third Man (1949)

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It's funny how the people of Russia and the US are framed as being such great enemies when in reality many of the rulers of both countries have more common interests with each other than they do with the citizens of their own nations.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGC42gUSOZY

Precisely this message. The issue is that there is a strong incentive for capitalists to behave in a certain way due to their material conditions, capital being truly international requires those with international capital interests. The capitalists (or non-capitalists for that matter) do not see Russian, American, Japanese etc., they see a representative of a certain commodity or class of commodities. This is commodity fetishism, in which money acquires a supernatural magical quality within the circuit of capital.

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They clamor for justice behind Donald Trump though. He’s used the mass’ frustrations to his own end, and they loved it enough to vote him into power.

I know Trump voters, the majority of whom don't like Trump at all. Their reasoning: "Why delay the inevitable? How else to wake up the country but to elect a disaster? As things get worse we're ready as we'll ever be." (FYI: I'm in Michigan where enough of us held back our Clinton vote to send a message that we need a progressive non-corporatist. Margin of victory for Trump was smaller than empty presidential section…

I'm sure that electing a regressive corporatist was a wonderful improvement.

Re: Paradise Papers: New leak from offshore finance firm

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do you have any evidence that buying an office building on wall street for 1 million in the 90s is a shady price that doesn't make sense? also, how in the world did you bring facebook into this conversation?

It’s not just “an office building”, it’s a 71 story skyscraper. Even setting aside its highly desirable location a $1M price makes no sense. The thing is, though, that the only source I can find for the $1M purchase price is Trump’s own mouth, while bragging about its real value (hundreds of millions), and we know he lies and exaggerates all the time.

Ok, so either way my point stands. There is no evidence whatsoever that something illegal is taking place ? The op posted this article

http://www.nytimes.com/1995/12/07/business/40-wall-street-is...

So apparently he bought it roughly for market price ?

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