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Re: MacOS High Sierra

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Post by vetinari »

synthmeat wrote: post #225
vetinari wrote: post #193

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Except for those, who upgraded their machine and the old OS release doesn't run on it. Or myriad other reasons.

IIRC (but stand to be corrected), they had their hands full before that with GPG major version bump. It's just too slow a beast, all of that. GPG (and especially email integration) is dying. Let's hope it gets a new life one day in the future.

Sure, reverse-engineering changes Apple does to Mail.app every year sounds like no fun. I'm actually surprised that they are ready at the launch day.

Re: MacOS High Sierra

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Post by aardshark »

altitudinous wrote: post #227
mvdwoord wrote: post #91

Does anybody have more information on this claim of a keychain vulnerability in High Sierra... just saw it fly past on Twitter. https://twitter.com/patrickwardle/status/912254053849079808 >on High Sierra (unsigned) apps can programmatically dump & exfil keychain (w/ your plaintext passwords) vid: https://player.vimeo.com/video/235313957 #smh

It doesn't seem like a real vulnerabilty to me - it is not remotely executable, it has to be run by a signed in user on the actual device. When you go to facebook.com, your device must surely decrypt the keychain to plaintext to prefill the password field so it can send your password to facebook.com - Thats how it works. So this seems like normal functionality to me, someone has just put it in a command line. Someone…

Yes. When an app accesses the keychain a dialog box is presented to the user with "Allow", "Always Allow" and "Deny".

If "Always Allow" is chosen, then the app will have permanent permission to access _only_ that particular password in the keychain.

This vunerability appears to bypass that dialog entirely and dump the entire keychain in plaintext without requiring the users permisson.

Re: MacOS High Sierra

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Post by mavhc »

tomp wrote: post #103

> Safari now uses machine learning to identify advertisers and others who track your online behavior, and removes the cross‑site tracking data they leave behind. > Safari now uses machine learning to identify advertisers and others who track your online behavior, and removes the cross‑site tracking data they leave behind I'm starting to like the business model of buying the product more and more. There was a recent t…

Sonos shows that even if you buy the expensive product they'll still try to exploit your privacy. Only solution is open source everything

Re: MacOS High Sierra

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Post by vetinari »

tomp wrote: post #233
vetinari wrote: post #230

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So you want to use their back end with your front end, and remove their monetization? Why would they even entertain the thought of agreeing to something like that? The much better approach is bring your own backed. E.g. I'm using Sygic (because it is offline and the roaming fees were killing the online maps) and it works in the all places where the original Maps work. If I click in the Booking.com app to navigate to…

I'm not saying they have to allow that, I'm just saying that's what it would take them to "neutralize" the threat of their business model for users (and become as trustworth as Apple).

Unfortunately, this is the case of wanting to have a cake and eat it too. That's why I wrote that bringing alternate implementations is a better approach. That way you don't want something for nothing (use Google resources without any compensation; you don't pay them anything after all, but you do pay to Apple).

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Post by q-base »

petercooper wrote: post #60
smcleod wrote: post #57

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Yes, American dates are confusing and illogical at the best of times, I wish America would standardise on the international ascending order date style of 25/09/2017.

I hope we'd all standardize on the opposite: 2017-09-25.. it sorts properly when used in file and document names :-)

Funny, I never thought about that :) And coming from Denmark I would always have recommended the exact reverse.

Re: MacOS High Sierra

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Post by Gaelan »

baldfat wrote: post #199
ginko wrote: post #188

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> Microsoft even now has Linux offerings its a new era. If they made a Linux version of Office and ported Direct3D to Linux, I'd be impressed. As such it's just embrace, extend extinguish again.

You mean the monopoly is due to Office and DirectX? There are plenty of alternatives still. I only use Outlook due to work but I could also get around that through several ways. Maybe we just have a different definition of monopoly? Definition: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/monopoly 1 :exclusive ownership through legal privilege, command of supply, or concerted action 2 :exclusive possession or control n…

I haven’t used OpenOffice much? But it feels much less polished than Office or iWork. I guess there’s Google Docs, but even that’s limited compared to even iWork. Is there anything actually decent that can be used for “Office” stuff on Linux?

Re: MacOS High Sierra

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Post by Gaelan »

Tepix wrote: post #152
vetinari wrote: post #116

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In Android, it is not mandatory to use Google apps - you can use your favorite browser, mail or maps instead of the Google ones. Firefox, Nine or Here, for example.

Your typical Android phone calls home around 1200 times per day. Getting that number down to zero means making it pretty much unusable.

What does that number look like on iOS?

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Post by roblabla »

heedlessly2 wrote: post #235
Sean1708 wrote: post #172

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Wikipedia says that Windows accounts for well over 70% of all desktop use[0], I personally wouldn't call that a 3-way split. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_syste...

but what profit % do they have? Android dominates mobile OS usage, but iOS has equal profits if not greater than Android

If you take only desktop (which is what I was thinking about), windows is waaaaaaaaaay dominating the game. Chromebook might as well not exist (I haven't seen one, ever. I'm in europe though), so the only contender is Mac. But with all the lock-in and momentum Windows has, sure it might not be a monopoly in the technical sense, but it sure as heck feels like one.

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Post by nwah1 »

falcolas wrote: post #237
pwdisswordfish wrote: post #231

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> And yet, microsoft started incorporating ads inside of windows 10. Using daily, only thing I've seen - notification about Edge (which came with the OS). what?

Before disabling the ads, I saw ads for Halo, Cloud Drive, and prompts to install Office 365 on screensavers and interstitials. If you don't see them, you've likely disabled them.

They also have suggested apps in the Store live tile, and on the top of the programs menu. Some of those are not directly from MS, but again at least half are at the moment (Minecraft, etc).

Easy to turn off the live tiles and the suggested apps, and you can very quickly type to find any app so many people probably don't even look at the programs menu.

Re: MacOS High Sierra

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Post by toasterlovin »

mavhc wrote: post #243
tomp wrote: post #103

> Safari now uses machine learning to identify advertisers and others who track your online behavior, and removes the cross‑site tracking data they leave behind. > Safari now uses machine learning to identify advertisers and others who track your online behavior, and removes the cross‑site tracking data they leave behind I'm starting to like the business model of buying the product more and more. There was a recent t…

Sonos shows that even if you buy the expensive product they'll still try to exploit your privacy. Only solution is open source everything

Apple has publicly committed themselves to certain approaches wrt to privacy. If they fail to act as they have said they will, class action lawsuits will follow shortly.
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