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Re: Washington Post integrates Talk – Mozilla’s open-source commenting platform

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Post by FrankBooth »

xienze wrote: post #88
intopieces wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Brendan Eich was not fired. After his appointment, there was backlash from the Mozilla Community. He came under pressure to resign and he did. The Mozilla Board that appointed him knew about his donation; they did not "remove him because of his views." If that alone was the issue, they simply wouldn't have given him the job in the first place. Resignation (after only 11 days in the CEO role) became the only viable p…

> Brendan Eich was not fired. ... He came under pressure to resign and he did. So in other words, he was told if he didn't resign he'd be fired. Let's not play games, he wasn't going to survive that episode. > The Mozilla Board that appointed him knew about his donation I seriously doubt that, unless checking a person's political donations is a standard course of action Mozilla takes -- which would open a major can o…

> So in other words, he was told if he didn't resign he'd be fired.

External pressure, not internal.

> I seriously doubt that, unless checking a person's political donations is a standard course of action Mozilla takes

No need to do an investigation, it had been raised by people who were upset by the action years earlier.

> otherwise, why did no one in the "community" take issue with his donation in the several years prior?

They did, years earlier.

You could've found this out yourself, but instead you decided to make trouble here instead. It's best to stick to topics you understand.

Re: Washington Post integrates Talk – Mozilla’s open-source commenting platform

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Post by philipps »

danjayh wrote: post #231
protomikron wrote: post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> [...] they at least usually claim to want to reduce the size and power of the federal government. Why do you assume that's inherently a good thing?

Most things that the federal government wants to do these days (healthcare, education, food assistance, etc.) can be done just as effectively at the state level (and possibly at the county or city level). In general, if things are done at lower levels of government, people in a particular area get more of what they do want and less of what they don't (for example Californians could have super-high taxes and single-pa…

My impression is that the states who argue for small federal government, and for solving problems locally, seem to also prefer private sector solutions over government services (state and federal). So, the choice is not really between federal or state government, but between government and no government. And secondly, things like healthcare are expensive. Making it the sole responsibility of the states means that poor states will get poor healthcare. That is one reason all developed countries have some form of government provided or regulated healthcare system.

Re: Washington Post integrates Talk – Mozilla’s open-source commenting platform

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Post by nippples »

thinbeige wrote: post #18

After reading this article over and over I am still clueless. What is this all about? Feature-wise it doesn't sound better than a comment system from HN, Reddit or StackExchange. Besides, Mozilla is really lacking communicational skills. This blog post feels like the documentation at MDN, tedious and unclear.

> This blog post feels like the documentation at MDN, tedious and unclear.

Of all things Mozilla may be doing wrong, the MDN docs on html / javascript is most definitely not one of it. They are by far the best available.

Re: Washington Post integrates Talk – Mozilla’s open-source commenting platform

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Post by philipps »

danjayh wrote: post #239
wavefunction wrote: post #233

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why aren't they already being done then? Don't worry, it's more of a rhetorical question than one seeking an answer.

I've got a few answers anyway, if you're interested: 1) The federal government sucks up all of the money -- see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Federal,_State,_and_Local... . And that chart only encompasses income tax -- the overall federal tax rate is closer to 20% GDP. The average person in the US already works until April 24 each year just to pay taxes (if you were to take your all of your taxes and pay them a…

It sounds different if you say

"The average person works until April 24 to pay for things like schools, healthcare, rule of law, roads and trains, internet, etc...".

Re: Washington Post integrates Talk – Mozilla’s open-source commenting platform

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Post by intended »

alethiophile wrote: post #78
jandrese wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ultimately it's very difficult to separate "that's a bad opinion, downvote", from "troll, downvote". People won't even agree on which is which, especially the trolls. If you require someone to post really blatant stuff like "Hitler did nothing wrong" to be ejected from the discussion, then your discussion will be filled with ideological trolls who don't argue in good faith but insist that any moderation to their part…

The exact same set of moderation actions will look like a necessary and correct restriction on bad actors to one group, while looking like a choking echo-chamber imposition to another. The reality is that any social space needs to have a set of norms, including ideological norms, that are enforced to a degree to ensure they're followed. The idea of purely "open discussion" is a fantasy; if you ever have something tha…

You dont select the norms

You let the people self select themselves.

Re: Washington Post integrates Talk – Mozilla’s open-source commenting platform

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Post by memeCrasher »

brad0 wrote: post #230
52-6F-62 wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If they provide an avenue for topical and reasonable discourse, then yes. People (at least some people) tend toward the need for discourse to temper and test their ideas. I mean, you're commenting on HN.

What makes HN comments great that other comments systems don't have? It's the guidelines. By writing guidelines that promote useful discourse you allow everyone involved to learn more about their own biases and shortcomings. Every person that writes their opinion grows when reading the varied responses (as long as they're open to other people's perspectives).

Smarter and more insightful commentators.

That's pretty much it. Once the population gets too big and the level of discourse too low, the intelligent people will move to greener pastures with better signal:noise ratios. Slashdot's moderation system didn't save them, and HN's moderation system won't either.

I've yet to see a comment system that promotes signal:noise ratio over groupthink.

Re: Washington Post integrates Talk – Mozilla’s open-source commenting platform

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Post by cakedoggie »

danjayh wrote: post #231
protomikron wrote: post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> [...] they at least usually claim to want to reduce the size and power of the federal government. Why do you assume that's inherently a good thing?

Most things that the federal government wants to do these days (healthcare, education, food assistance, etc.) can be done just as effectively at the state level (and possibly at the county or city level). In general, if things are done at lower levels of government, people in a particular area get more of what they do want and less of what they don't (for example Californians could have super-high taxes and single-pa…

Fair enough.

But why would people need different healthcare based on different states? Or education? Or food? That never made sense to me.

Re: Washington Post integrates Talk – Mozilla’s open-source commenting platform

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Post by Kiro »

chucksmash wrote: post #139
thinbeige wrote: post #18

After reading this article over and over I am still clueless. What is this all about? Feature-wise it doesn't sound better than a comment system from HN, Reddit or StackExchange. Besides, Mozilla is really lacking communicational skills. This blog post feels like the documentation at MDN, tedious and unclear.

> This blog post feels like the documentation at MDN, tedious and unclear. This feels like an undeserved swipe to me. How many developers prepend their searches with "mdn" when they need info on browser APIs?

I personally hate MDN. I actually prefer W3Schools. I want straight to the point examples.

Re: Washington Post integrates Talk – Mozilla’s open-source commenting platform

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Post by explodingcamera »

algesten wrote: post #246

> Talk is small — about 300kb — and lightweight This makes me feel old. Is 300kb really considered small these days?

Not really, 300kb for a pwa seems sane but for just for a comment system? That seems incredible bloated.
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