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Re: Tesla Autopilot

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Post by DennisP »

willvarfar wrote: post #160
the_rosentotter wrote: post #152

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It terrifies me to think of relying on image recognition software to correctly determine an upcoming crossing road (with cars zipping across) so it can properly slow down, rather than get broadsided at full speed. Or a number of other life-and-death situations (which are common during driving). It just seems fragile (what if the 'vision' is somehow impaired, f.ex. blinded by sunlight, or the road markings are wrong o…

> It terrifies me to think of relying on image recognition software to correctly determine (... snip) Do you not drive using only your eyes? If you are not terrified of the sensors, then software? Turing's central belief was that the human brain was 'just' a computer. Regards doing things like embedding reflectors in roads and other ways to simplify lane holding, completely agree. But we can't forego the cameras etc…

The human visual cortex is far more powerful than the computers we can put in cars.

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Post by taf2 »

EngineerBetter wrote: post #76
sjwright wrote: post #66

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Do you mean the X doesn't have rain sensors, or it does but they aren't hooked up in software yet? Surely it has rain sensors, they couldn't do Autopilot using cameras behind the windscreen without them.

It will use the Autopilot cameras (there are no additional sensors), and the Tesla Vision software on AP2 hardware does not support detection of rain on the windscreen. The driver has to turn the wipers on manually. My Renault Zoe, which costs about 25% of my Model X, does this automatically. Tesla Autopilot is cool, but the software is very limited at present. The original link is essentially what Tesla think they c…

My version 1 tesla does rain detection

Re: Tesla Autopilot

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Post by aladine »

that is amazing offer from Tesla as hardward+software upgrade as a package. I also love the design of "call to action" buttons for buying 2 new car models.

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Post by ant6n »

the_rosentotter wrote: post #152
Animats wrote: post #64

Watch this at 0.25x speed or slower to see what's going on. This is a carefully chosen environment. Every place it drives has very clear highway centerline markings. It seems to be highly dependent on those for guidance. Sometimes it can't quite identify the road edge, but the centerline provides a position reference. The inputs seem to be road line recognition, optical flow for the road, and solid object recognition…

It terrifies me to think of relying on image recognition software to correctly determine an upcoming crossing road (with cars zipping across) so it can properly slow down, rather than get broadsided at full speed. Or a number of other life-and-death situations (which are common during driving). It just seems fragile (what if the 'vision' is somehow impaired, f.ex. blinded by sunlight, or the road markings are wrong o…

Start with highways - they are grade separated, there are no pedestrians, no traffic lights, no intersections (besides merging), driving is often long and boring.

Re: Tesla Autopilot

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Post by ant6n »

MarkMc wrote: post #74
quotemstr wrote: post #17

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I don't think our legal system should allow car manufacturers to impose these kinds of restrictions on cars fully owned by their operators. If I have the title on my vehicle, I should be able to use it in any legal capacity. This restriction is an attack on the fundamental ideas of ownership and property.

Tesla: We can't place restrictions on fully owned vehicles? OK, from now on we don't sell cars - we rent them for 50 years. Now can we place restrictions?

Presumably you're allowed to destroy the Tesla you own - which wouldn't be true with a long term rental, you'd have to give that back.

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Post by coredog64 »

bjelkeman-again wrote: post #86
dperfect wrote: post #73

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> You can now experience Enhanced Autopilot features including Traffic-Aware Cruise Control, Autosteer, Auto Lane Change, Parallel + Perpendicular Autopark, and Summon Scary stuff, really. No consumer wants (or needs) autopilot "features" - at least not from a marketing standpoint. If you ask me, the car either drives itself or you are driving it. It's a bit ridiculous to expect people to use these things safely. If…

In my experience, having driven or been driven by the autopilot v1 hardware and software for thousands of kilometers, it is not ridiculous to use this safely. You configure how you use it once, you don't have to remember the state of every feature. There are moments when you have to think about what state the car is in. But in opinion it is by far offset by how much less tiring it is to drive a long way.

"Mode confusion" is a major cause of CFIT accidents in aviation. And these are trained operators with partners and checklists.

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Post by falcolas »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #209
ReverseCold wrote: post #200

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Those aren't too bad (out of context of the Tesla article), I can see how the ai might misinterpret those images. The bagel one, for example, is pretty on point.

Those examples show that ML algorithms "see" things much differently from us. It also shows they're very vulnerable to nonsense data. How can I be reasonably sure that some random play of shadows and lights, that would never fool a human, will cause a failure mode in a neural network in a vision-only self-driving car?

Or worse - paint jobs created specifically to muck with image recognition.

Or when the graffiti becomes intentionally malicious (thinking of a variation of Wiley E. Coyote's tricks with paint and solid walls)?

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