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Re: Chrome Won

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Post by a2decrow »

shmerl wrote: post #213

Chrome can't properly compete privacy wise, same as Google in general can't. Privacy will be an issue, and increasingly so. Personally, I never understood Chrome hype, though I admit, that Mozilla's focus on FirefoxOS was distracting, and slowed down their desktop progress. It's good they are back on track now.

> Privacy will be an issue, and increasingly so.

Do you really believe that? The way I see it, most people just don't care. At all. Else they wouldn't sell their souls to private companies (e.g. Facebook and Google) without a second thought and we'd see more outrage against government surveillance that's being pushed in nearly every country all over the world.

Firefox is unlikely to gain much of a market share with only privacy-focused changes. People care about ease of use and especially performance. FF lost a lot of market share due to its horrible performance, compared to Chrome.

Re: Chrome Won

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Post by floatboth »

yamaneko wrote: post #146

I switched to Firefox because Chrome was keeping my fan always busy (high CPU usage and temperature) and using too much RAM. It was always around 5GB for my common usage. In Firefox it's always around 2.7GB. There were some privacy concerns too. Having said that, Firefox also has its issues. It is so unresponsive sometimes, giving long hangs. That's the main problem to me. There are others, like it being slower in so…

Check about:support. Are Multiprocess Windows and Asynchronous Pan/Zoom enabled?

Re: Chrome Won

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Post by Joeri »

diminish wrote: post #223
andreasgal wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Mozilla won the browser war. Firefox lost the browser fight. But there's many wars left to fight, and I hope Mozilla dives into a new one." Very poetic way of putting it. Couldn't agree more!

Mozilla lost the mobile OS war unfortunately if that what's inspiring you. What's next isn't clear to me

Everybody lost the mobile OS war.

Apple lost it by getting boxed into a market share corner by android. Google lost it by losing control over android. Android OEM's lost it by getting stuck in a cutthroat competition. Microsoft lost it by being microsoft. Users lost it by having no good choices left (either go with the golden cage iphone, or go with the privacy and security mess android).

Re: Chrome Won

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Post by s_kilk »

aerovistae wrote: post #4

> I started Firefox OS in 2011 because already back then I was convinced that desktops and browsers were dead. Not immediately–here we are 6 years later and both are still around–but both are legacy technologies that are not particularly influential going forward. I don't understand this perspective. Browsers are legacy technologies that are not particularly influential? What? I feel like the web dominates our lives…

Looking back on that era from here (only a handful of years later) it really looks like the desktop-is-dead-all-hail-the-smartphone crowd were just huffing paint.

And those fume hallucinations inspired the 'convergence' bandwagon which lead Canonical/Ubuntu, the Gnome project and Microsoft astray for years before they finally started rolling back those dumb decisions.

The markets for smartphones and tablets are now at absolute saturation point and, to a first approximation, no-one is abandoning their laptops/desktops en-masse in favour of working off of a 6 inch screen.

Re: Chrome Won

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Post by floatboth »

richdougherty wrote: post #15

Here are two ways that Mozilla could have a lot of impact: - If it is indeed too challenging for Firefox to compete against Chrome with a separate browser, there might be value in Mozilla maintaining an open-source fork of Chrome. This would allow Mozilla to borrow the good bits of Chrome for relatively low effort, and focus development effort on the the things that Google might not value so much (e.g privacy). It wo…

https://microg.org is a clone of Play Services and it works very well. Of course it's not 100% full but it works as a client for notifications and location (and some other things), and I don't need all of the other Google garbage.

Re: Chrome Won

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Post by a2decrow »

dashundchen wrote: post #40
RodericDay wrote: post #9

I will never ever leave Firefox voluntarily for an ad-infested Chrome alternative.

Especially on Android, where Chrome doesn't have uBlock or extensions, and Firefox does. Not to mention the million hooks Google's apps put into Chrome search, browsing history, etc. If you use the Google Search launcher to open an app, it sends which app and the time it was opened to Google! I'm disappointed that the death of Firefox OS and Ubuntu phone leaves us with little choice for FOSS smartphones.

Android is not FOSS. The Android Open Source Project (AOSP) is, but that excludes all the closed Google apps upon which more and more Android apps rely on. Almost every smartphone ships with Android, not AOSP, therefor there really isn't a FOSS smartphone market.

Re: Chrome Won

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Post by Joeri »

cbryan wrote: post #112
lewisl9029 wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed that Mozilla's original mission has been accomplished in spades, but I wouldn't count Mozilla out of the browser race just yet. Servo and Webrender[0] will completely shake up the browser landscape, and will allow web apps to match (maybe even surpass?) native mobile apps in terms of rendering performance. Unless Chrome, IE, and Safari can develop an answer to Servo and Webrender by the time those technologies…

The problem with your point is that it assumes users' are using Chrome because of its rendering speed. I don't think that's the case.

I adopted chrome because of the speed, but I keep using it because I'm used to it and it works fine. I know my way in and out of chrome's dev tools. On firefox it would be a struggle to figure out a web development routine.

Re: Chrome Won

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Post by floatboth »

EdSharkey wrote: post #172

The discussion here got me thinking about my own sluggish Firefox vs. Chrome experiences. I took a look at my extensions config panel in Firefox 53.0.3, and wondered if there was a way to tell which of my myriad of addons (most of which I don't use regularly) might be blocking electrolysis from turning on. Well, there's an addon for that: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/add-on-compat... If you install…

Just use Nightly. It disables the incompatible addons and marks all (even e10s compatible) legacy addons with a big "LEGACY" mark.

Also use about:support to see if e10s and async pan/zoom are enabled.

Re: Chrome Won

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Post by floatboth »

digi_owl wrote: post #102

Mozilla lost its way the day Firefox started chasing Chrome on look and feel rather than sticking to its guns and making the most standard compliant technical browser there is.

That doesn't make sense, both Firefox and Chrome are working on being "the most standard compliant technical browser there is". Check browser scores on https://caniuse.com — Firefox and Chrome are very close, Safari is behind, Edge is way behind.
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