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That is a completely disingenuous argument unless you truly believe that plants are as sentient as animals.
How do you know if one life form is more or less sentient than another? Is sentience not a subjective phenomenon?
What is this colored fiber in my chicken?
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Re: What is this colored fiber in my chicken?
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If you do assume animal life is equivalent to plant life, all you're saying is that consuming animals is less efficient. It would be like saying we shouldn't consume icecream because drinking milk directly saves more milk (not sure if this example is true).
The assumption I pose is that (given the very generous notion) if plant life is equivalent to animal life, and destroying life is undesirable, then eating animals is worse (in this regard) than eating plants because it destroys _more_ life.
Re: What is this colored fiber in my chicken?
#243Brown meat is much much more delicious; why would anyone prefer white meat is beyond me. And the irony is that, in buying "heavy breasted chicken", customers pay for something they can't consume (assuming chicken is priced by the pound in the US).
I like the taste (or maybe it's the lack there of) of white poultry meat more than dark; a lot more.
Re: What is this colored fiber in my chicken?
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Imitation meat would be a protein altered to resemble the meat of a particular animal. This is not necessarily vegetarian, as insect protein might be altered to resemble beef. Certain types could have problems with allergens. Cultured meat would be grown from animal cells without developing an entire, independently viable animal. This is what "vat-grown" meat would be. Synthetic meat would be processed polymerized am…
> This is the holy grail of meat substitutes for vegans. Hi, vegan here! I already get all this from plants. > No living thing of any kind is killed, molested, or even inconvenienced in its manufacture (provided you don't look too closely at where the amino acids came from). Where do they come from, then? There is already enough plant diversity to not need to manufacture cells this way. In fact, fermentation of foods…
As such, they could come from full organic synthesis from ethane feedstock, or from cultured microorganisms, or from plant protein, or from animal protein. They could by produced as a by-product of some other industry. If the company producing the synthetic meat is not particularly cautious with respect to sources, the vegan pedigree of its product could be questioned.
From the HN conversations about Soylent and Soylent-like products, I have been made aware of religiously-motivated vegans that even feel vaguely guilty about having to kill plants for their food. Those and the vegans motivated by supposed health benefits would not give a fig about the "meatiness" of any synthetic meat, caring more about its nutritional qualities. Those motivated by ethics would likely only care insofar as the existence of a full-synthetic meat could help encourage others to give up animal-harvested meats. If you don't proselytize veganism, you wouldn't care (nor should you).
From my own shallow study of nutrition, the height of my bar for going vegan is the chicken egg. If anyone wants me to stop eating animal products, they must necessarily produce something of equal nutritional convenience to a chicken egg, at a lower price. By my "holy grail" statement, I meat that specifically for proselytizing ethical vegans (i.e. PETA members), as an "Aha! With this, the meat-eaters can no longer argue in favor of their destructive lifestyles based on nutrition or culinary experience!"
Re: What is this colored fiber in my chicken?
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Not for meat, but we've been eating yeasts, algae, bacteria, and other cellular cultures for thousands of years. It's not like the concept is new across the board.
That's not quite what we're talking about though. We're talking about synthetic meat, not meat-substitutes, i.e.: lab-grown muscle tissue with (something like) cow-DNA involved.
Like I said before, I really don't want to push anyone to try anything they don't want to. But people know how hot dogs are made ( https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-pw_CTCSkOZI/WAPJuZWaF5I/AAAAAAAAm... ), and it hasn't stopped them, so I expect cultured meat will probably take off pretty quickly once it becomes cheaper than farming.
Re: What is this colored fiber in my chicken?
#246I have a solution, (downvotes are welcome), eat an organic and mostly vegatarian diet.
From the guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html > Please don't bait other users by inviting them to downvote you or proclaim that you expect to get downvoted. (I also don't think your statement is particularly controversial.)
Jokes aside, eat more veggies for your health, the health of those poor little things that are fed shit and antibiotics daily in very bad environements, and last but not least for the health of the earth.
Re: What is this colored fiber in my chicken?
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It does not want to suffer. Not wanting to die has more to do with avoiding suffering/pain than it does with the dying itself. Ideally I could eat animals that are happy and content then instantly dead without ever knowing what's happening. If we could breed them with little switches in their brain stems that can be turned to Off via a wireless signal ... I'd want that. That would be great. Press button, chicken drop…
Personally, I follow the "rule" of: What you don't want done to yourself, don't do to others. Would you mind dying right now? Or would you prefer to stay alive? Sure, one might argue that once you're dead you don't mind anymore, but while being alive, you usually strongly prefer staying that way. It's that simple. It certainly is difficult to determine wheter or not something wants to live, but in the case of chicken…
Sure I'd prefer to stay alive because I'm curious what happens next. But realistically speaking my death is other people's problem not mine.
Dying is easy. It's other people that suffer the consequences.
Although the process of dying, if drawn out, sounds hella unpleasant. I wouldn't want that part.
If we're talking step into the street and get splattered by a runaway 18-wheeler, instant brain death ... fuck it, not my problem.
If we're talking 8 months of ineffectual chemo followed by 10 hours of drawing my last breath ... I'd rather just shoot myself.
If we're talking normal life vs "eat this pill and aging becomes so slow you will be physically and mentally young well into your 90s followed by death of old age at 140" ... yeah I will definitely take that pill.
I'm not sure that really answers your question but there you go. My views on life and death.
Re: What is this colored fiber in my chicken?
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>Waiting for "fake meat" to fix the problem is like saying: "I can't wait until we can grow zombies to pick cotton, then all the slaves can finally go free." It's kind of like that... except that slaves were people - not chickens. Which certainly flavors the metaphor a bit.
Absolutely. That's the crux of the issue: do chickens' lives and feelings have any value? If so, how should society impose that value system on an enormous industry that optimizes to extract value from chickens' suffering?
After we left our hobby farm I decided to not eat anything smarter than a fish. (I don't eat octopus)
I like being Pescatarian.
I do try to avoid wild fish for ethical/environmental reasons. Food animals should always come from a farm, obviously.
Re: What is this colored fiber in my chicken?
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>>America is the only country I've ever been to where white meat cost more than dark meat This is because legs and thighs are fatty, and Americans have come to associate animal fat with health problems. White meat is leaner, and is therefore perceived to be healthier and more expensive.
Not just health problems really - it just tastes gross, a much less pleasant texture and consistent flavor. Especially when prepared in a sandwich or in chicken nuggets the white meat is much nicer - chicken nuggets the ooze fat and leave your mouth and hands greasy have horrified me too much.
Re: What is this colored fiber in my chicken?
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...because it does not have bones or cartilage. So eat the meat and throw away the bones or cartilage. Then go grab the calcium caps afterwards.
No, boil those after and make soup