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2016 Retina MacBook Pro Caveats

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Re: 2016 Retina MacBook Pro Caveats

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Post by bogomipz »

npunt wrote: post #224
otterley wrote: post #9

We bought a 15" 2016 Macbook Pro ("Retina" is redundant; there are no 2016 MBPs that lack a Retina display.) We also bought a LG 27UD88-W monitor to go with it. (It's one of the few that has a USB-C input.) I have to say, I'm really impressed by the single-cable solution. The monitor charges the laptop (57W maximum, which is less than the Apple charger, but "good enough"), and the laptop sends both video and USB peri…

> (2) When the display goes to sleep, it disconnects all the devices on the hub. This is a problem for external disks, as the OS complains that it has been detached without being ejected first. I hope LG fixes this in a future firmware version. This is why I'm quite disappointed that Apple exited the display business. Small issues like this highlight the different scope of LG and Apple business models. As a display m…

>"This is why I'm quite disappointed that Apple exited the display business."

Is this official? Did they make some kind of statement? I think during the even they showed a Mac Pro connected to a monitor but it wasn't Apple. I was kind of confused by that at the time but now it might make sense.

There was also a thread on here yesterday about how they've existed the router business. Very odd, since so many of their customers like having a complete ecosystem.

Re: 2016 Retina MacBook Pro Caveats

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Post by eddieh »

carsongross wrote: post #178
otterley wrote: post #9

We bought a 15" 2016 Macbook Pro ("Retina" is redundant; there are no 2016 MBPs that lack a Retina display.) We also bought a LG 27UD88-W monitor to go with it. (It's one of the few that has a USB-C input.) I have to say, I'm really impressed by the single-cable solution. The monitor charges the laptop (57W maximum, which is less than the Apple charger, but "good enough"), and the laptop sends both video and USB peri…

> One cable. It's kind of amazing and magical if you think about it. Apple had the one-cable thing back in 1998. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Display_Connector Power went the other way, but still. Crazy it's taken us this long to get back to it.

People always hate on Apple for proprietary connectors and cables, but I loved my Cinema display with the ADC cable.

Re: 2016 Retina MacBook Pro Caveats

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Post by freehunter »

to3m wrote: post #172
Freestyler_3 wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you think the effect of constant charging will be on battery life in the long term?

Probably not huge - my MBP's battery is 644 days old, and I use it plugged in pretty much all the time. So it's had 34 cycles. But it's still got 92.4% of its capacity left.

Lord, just 34? I use mine disconnected a lot but mine has over 300 in about a year.

Re: 2016 Retina MacBook Pro Caveats

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Post by eridius »

bogomipz wrote: post #241
npunt wrote: post #224

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> (2) When the display goes to sleep, it disconnects all the devices on the hub. This is a problem for external disks, as the OS complains that it has been detached without being ejected first. I hope LG fixes this in a future firmware version. This is why I'm quite disappointed that Apple exited the display business. Small issues like this highlight the different scope of LG and Apple business models. As a display m…

>"This is why I'm quite disappointed that Apple exited the display business." Is this official? Did they make some kind of statement? I think during the even they showed a Mac Pro connected to a monitor but it wasn't Apple. I was kind of confused by that at the time but now it might make sense. There was also a thread on here yesterday about how they've existed the router business. Very odd, since so many of their cu…

Apple discontinued its last display a few months ago, and after the MBP announcement they confirmed that they've fully exited the display business. https://twitter.com/reckless/status/792069952916197376

Re: 2016 Retina MacBook Pro Caveats

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Post by eridius »

qyv wrote: post #216
lvh wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My understanding is that Thunderbolt 3 cables should have the Thunderbolt logo on them.

And herein lies the rub of USB-C: It isn't a universal logical interface, it is a multi-use physical connector. By overloading the port's logical functions you introduce incompatible physical configurations.

There have always been charge-only USB cables, they're just not all that common (I believe many mice come with those for charging, but I don't know where else you'd get one). I agree that it is a problem for Apple to be shipping a charge-only USB-C cable, both because this significantly increases the number of charge-only cables in the wild, and because this is probably the first USB-C cable that their customers will have and it's confusing if it doesn't actually act as a generic USB-C cable.

Re: 2016 Retina MacBook Pro Caveats

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Post by freehunter »

UnoriginalGuy wrote: post #59
mikeash wrote: post #5

Not supporting DisplayPort with an adapter is just insane. Apple's new top-end laptop is incompatible with the most common way to connect external monitors? I've been willing to give Apple and the new MBP the benefit of the doubt on this stuff, and in particular I don't mind that it needs dongles now if that means we get universal USB-C adoption faster. But the dongles need to actually exist and work now!

> Apple's new top-end laptop is incompatible with the most common way to connect external monitors? You mean HDMI? On non-Apple/non-Microsoft laptops HDMI is by far the most common way to connect external displays followed likely by VGA and then finally DisplayPort.

Even on Apple laptops, my 2015 rMBP came with HDMI, and I have an adapter for VGA. The only machine I've ever used DisplayPort for is an older Thinkpad, and even then when I asked Best Buy to sell me a DisplayPort cable, they didn't have any in stock. They kept offering Mini DisplayPort, which is AKA Thunderbolt which is built into every MacBook since ever.

Re: 2016 Retina MacBook Pro Caveats

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Post by eridius »

undersuit wrote: post #188
otterley wrote: post #9

We bought a 15" 2016 Macbook Pro ("Retina" is redundant; there are no 2016 MBPs that lack a Retina display.) We also bought a LG 27UD88-W monitor to go with it. (It's one of the few that has a USB-C input.) I have to say, I'm really impressed by the single-cable solution. The monitor charges the laptop (57W maximum, which is less than the Apple charger, but "good enough"), and the laptop sends both video and USB peri…

>When the display goes to sleep, it disconnects all the devices on the hub. This is a problem for external disks, as the OS complains that it has been detached without being ejected first. I hope LG fixes this in a future firmware version. Is there a monitor that doesn't suffer this issue? My Dell's USB hub power is linked to the monitor power. I can't plug a mouse into the monitor if I want to use that mouse to wake…

Apple's (now discontinued) Thunderbolt display does not suffer from this issue. I can wake my computer up from sleep by pressing keys on the keyboard attached to my Thunderbolt display.

Re: 2016 Retina MacBook Pro Caveats

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Post by eridius »

kaypro wrote: post #180

I just got back from returning my 15" 2.6 i7 with Radeon 450. First time I've returned an Apple product ever. The build quality of the machine is superb. TouchID, display, keyboard and SSD are fantastic. There's something going on with the GPU's... I'm putting my money on the Intel HD but the framerate is extremely slow. Just scrolling a simple web page in Safari stutters considerably. I tried using gfxCardStatus to…

> Not being able to have a volume down button in the control strip makes reducing the volume more time consuming.

Do you routinely change your volume by only one increment? Whenever I change my volume I have to tap up and down a few times to figure out the exact volume I want, and with the Touch Bar that's just one extra tap (tapping the < button gets you the volume up/down buttons).

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