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Autopilot Full Self-Driving Demonstration [video]

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Re: Autopilot Full Self-Driving Demonstration [video]

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Post by nodesocket »

6stringmerc wrote: post #161
tsaprailis wrote: post #4

There's also the longer (3:28) video with the Paint It Black theme: https://www.tesla.com/videos/autopilot-self-driving-hardware...

...so...going on basic understanding of IP rights management... If I was an investor I'd be super fucking pissed off Tesla is squandering capital on NOT CHEAP sync rights for Rolling Stones songs to be used in their PR materials. If I was an investor I'd be super fucking pissed off Tesla is ignorant enough about Intellectual Property that they'd use a Rolling Stones song in their PR materials without paying the NOT C…

From your post it sounds like you should short TSLA since you seem to have some sort of pent up pessimistic anger against them.

Re: Autopilot Full Self-Driving Demonstration [video]

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Post by shalmanese »

dag11 wrote: post #228
Animats wrote: post #217

A longer Tesla demo video with no cuts: [1] This one is at a consistent speed, about 3x normal, and it's worth playing at 1/3 speed to see what's happening. No freeway driving; it's driving around the Page Mill Road / Los Altos Hills area. This video shows an ahead view and three of the vehicle's cameras with their annotations. The system puts rectangular 2D boxes around things it recognizes. Road centerline recognit…

Is there an easy way to play a Vimeo video at 1/3 speed?

I use the html5 video speed control extension in Chrome: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/html5-video-speed-...

Mainly to play Vimeo videos at 2x speed since Vimeo refuses to put the feature in the player.

Re: Autopilot Full Self-Driving Demonstration [video]

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Post by sundvor »

Klathmon wrote: post #139
sundvor wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is pretty impressive. Still, at 00:54, getting a closer look at the female runners? Someone following could have gotten caught out if driving too close / playing Pokemon. A human driver (well, at least myself) would simply have lifted the foot off the accelerator somewhat and drifted closer to the centre line when passing - seeing as there was no oncoming traffic.

Perhaps the car knows it's own capabilities better than we humans do. Maybe it knows that if the joggers were to suddenly jump out, doing what you or I would do isn't enough, so it slowed down to a near stop just in case. Also, it's a bit of a "blind corner", so drifting out toward the middle of the lane might not be the best idea (again, even though it's probably something I as a person in that scenario would have d…

Perhaps the AI also needs to be able to perceive the motivations of the humans ie read body language. If the joggers suddenly turned their heads to the left and twisted their bodies etc, then that would to a greater degree warrant the extreme caution. There's a lot of work cut out for the machine learning engineers.

Re: Autopilot Full Self-Driving Demonstration [video]

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Post by Klathmon »

sundvor wrote: post #243
Klathmon wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps the car knows it's own capabilities better than we humans do. Maybe it knows that if the joggers were to suddenly jump out, doing what you or I would do isn't enough, so it slowed down to a near stop just in case. Also, it's a bit of a "blind corner", so drifting out toward the middle of the lane might not be the best idea (again, even though it's probably something I as a person in that scenario would have d…

Perhaps the AI also needs to be able to perceive the motivations of the humans ie read body language. If the joggers suddenly turned their heads to the left and twisted their bodies etc, then that would to a greater degree warrant the extreme caution. There's a lot of work cut out for the machine learning engineers.

I agree, but until then I'm guessing they are going to play it safe.

That being said, looking at that portion of the video again it looks like this may have just been the system having trouble figuring out if the people were in the road until it was closer.

Re: Autopilot Full Self-Driving Demonstration [video]

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Post by davewritescode »

Matt3o12_ wrote: post #26
Gys wrote: post #14

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I do not understand why the focus on self driving is so much on the whole trip. 90 - 95% of the time I am driving long stretches, I spend on highways. No problem if only that part would be done selfdriving. Those few minutes in busy town centers I do not mind to do myself. No problem of driving short stretches (10 - 15 min) either.

It shows that the car would have been able to drive the route completely without a driver. This is handy if you want to pickup somebody, want to avoid high parking fees, need to charge your car without actually doing it. Doing those things right now in a Tesla is probably not safe just now, but it shows that level 5 autonomy is not so far fetched and 2020 is a realistic date.

There's virtually zero chance we'all have level 5 autonomy within 3 years.

The tech is impressive but it has to be absolutely bulletproof. I like Tesla but I find it annoying that Musk doesn't deliver anything on time and it seems like Tesla delivers way more demos than real products.

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Post by pmyjavec »

kayoone wrote: post #135
pmyjavec wrote: post #109

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This is kind of true, as much as this tech is fascinating, I can't help but feel trains and better planned cities are the real solution to the car problem. Even in parts of Europe I noticed they put big trucks on trains to automate a large part of the journey and a driver finishes the last leg of the trip. Trains are also much easier to automate, I also imagine a train track costs less to maintain than a road.

Trains are complementary but there will always be need for personal transportation.

I never said there wasn't, however; What is obvious is that if taxis and trucks (privately owned or not) are now so cheap to run because there are no labor cost involved in having them on the road, then the next problems we will face are increased congestion, increased pollution (electric cars still consume a lot of power), increased road degradation. The only way to control this might be through increased taxes or car registration fees.

This still means the car problem needs solving.

Re: Autopilot Full Self-Driving Demonstration [video]

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Post by Animats »

Qworg wrote: post #201
mac01021 wrote: post #183

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Do you assume that the car, after recognizing that human intervention is required, continues to move forward into the path of danger while it waits for the human to take over?

I assume that there are a huge number of situations where "quietly pull over and let the human drive" is impossible. I'm not talking about "oh hey, here's a situation I can't handle" and more "take over now".

Volvo takes the position for their 2017 that they cannot demand that the driver take over. The car can ask, but must be prepared to pull over and stop if the driver doesn't push the "Manual Drive" button.

Here's the first of 100 self-driving cars Volvo will put in customer hands in 2017.[1] This shows close-ups of all the sensors - high radar and camera behind the windscreen, low LIDAR and camera in the nose, and side and down-looking cameras on the door mirrors. No high-mounted LIDAR, though. These vehicles are intended for self-driving in all weather conditions in Gothenburg, Sweden.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwcSeRE-XEY

Re: Autopilot Full Self-Driving Demonstration [video]

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Post by Qworg »

Animats wrote: post #247
Qworg wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I assume that there are a huge number of situations where "quietly pull over and let the human drive" is impossible. I'm not talking about "oh hey, here's a situation I can't handle" and more "take over now".

Volvo takes the position for their 2017 that they cannot demand that the driver take over. The car can ask , but must be prepared to pull over and stop if the driver doesn't push the "Manual Drive" button. Here's the first of 100 self-driving cars Volvo will put in customer hands in 2017.[1] This shows close-ups of all the sensors - high radar and camera behind the windscreen, low LIDAR and camera in the nose, and si…

Sure. But didn't the Volvo CEO push "Level 4 only"?

They certainly are saying they'll only release a Level 4 vehicle - the Tesla is still expecting a human to take over.

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Post by gambiting »

jfoster wrote: post #239
pmyjavec wrote: post #105

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I agree, the roads are perfectly marked. It's early days but incorrectly hardly complex edge cases, like graffiti on the signs, could be a matter of life or death. I wonder if the AI just detects an intersection and if it doesn't know what to do, disengage?

Why would a missing sign cause life or death? It has radar and complete around-the-car vision. Should do a lot better than a human.

I'm almost certain that I can't see around corners though.

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Post by JoeAltmaier »

zobzu wrote: post #202
jjnoakes wrote: post #168

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The big difference is, if I make a mistake and hurt myself, my family, or others, I have myself to blame. If my car makes a mistake though, I have someone else to blame. Even though the statistics may point to self-driving cars being safer in the aggregate, would an individual be willing to give up control to software which might make a mistake and kill them? Even if, statistically, they might be safer? Will people m…

just film and show a complete flight from an airliner from the cockpit. flights are fully autonomous except take off and landing, which still are computer assisted. all crashes occur when the pilot overrides the flight system or the runway has no support for computer aided landing (ils). thats the only reason flying is statistically safer than driving.

Funny: since the 80's they've been able to take off and land too. Which could avoid most of those crashes. But the pilots (and FAA) won't allow it.
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