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Switching from macOS: The Basics

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Re: Switching from macOS: The Basics

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Post by reitanqild »

INTPenis wrote: post #111
kybernetyk wrote: post #33

So I went to their main page to download an ISO to give it a try in a VM. They hid the download button really well: You have to type in "0" into the "how much you'd like to pay" field for the "Purchase" button to change to "Download". I mean I understand that open source projects need funding. But if you want people to try your niche OS at least make it obvious how to download it. Ask for money later after people had…

I wish I had known that trick. I payed some money for it, which isn't unusual since I often donate money to open source or activism. But this time I regret every cent. Coming from Mac OS, or even Fedora, Elementary seems unpolished and unstable.

Some of you Mac guys are a weird bunch IMO:

Talk more than others about usability - happily gloss over all kinds of weirdness[0] in your expensive setups.[1]

Happily pays quite a lot for your Macs - "regret every cent" after donating peanuts for the development of a Linux distro.

Just saying.

Edit: downvotes welcome! I cannot buy anything for my Internet points here in Western Europe.

A textual description of my wrongdoings would be even more awesome!

Edit2: you don't need to upvote me! Instead just tell me what I did wrong!

[0]: Yes, there is. If you cannot spot it I won't recommend you for any lead UX role.

[1]: Not saying it is bad or not worth the price though. Just expensive (given that you have to have a Mac to run it legally) and far from perfect.

Re: Switching from macOS: The Basics

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Post by jokr004 »

mohanmcgeek wrote: post #233
kybernetyk wrote: post #33

So I went to their main page to download an ISO to give it a try in a VM. They hid the download button really well: You have to type in "0" into the "how much you'd like to pay" field for the "Purchase" button to change to "Download". I mean I understand that open source projects need funding. But if you want people to try your niche OS at least make it obvious how to download it. Ask for money later after people had…

They caught a lot of flak when they first introduced it. Not only did they introduce this, but they also shamed the people who did not pay http://m.slashdot.org/story/213469

I was really disappointing with how the elementary guys handled that whole situation.. really turned me off to their distribution.

Re: Switching from macOS: The Basics

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Post by porker »

deadbunny wrote: post #189
kabdib wrote: post #92

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Windows is getting better, but it will still make you very angry. The update system makes me howl. The shell is pale shadow of the MacOS terminal (you can kind of fix this with other shells, but the app-restore behavior after a reboot? Gone, and Windows reboots a lot compared to MacOS).

When you say shell I assume you mean terminal. The Windows terminal is utter garbage, and I've not found a decent one (i've not looked very hard to be fair) but you can install bash (the shell) and have all the functionality you've got in OSX (also a bash shell, a really really old bash shell).

> The Windows terminal is utter garbage, and I've not found a decent one

I install http://cmder.net/ on every Windows machine. Makes my life more pleasant

Re: Switching from macOS: The Basics

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Post by mohanmcgeek »

skoczymroczny wrote: post #184
xd1936 wrote: post #172

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Everybody in the FOSS community gets really mad at that decision... I thought it was intuitive. "How much do you want to pay?" "0 Dollars." "Great!" Why is that so horrible?

This part wasn't that horrible as the quote from Elementary blog was (apparently they removed the old blogpost, but it's easily googlable): "We want users to understand that they’re pretty much cheating the system when they choose not to pay for software. We didn’t exclude a $0 button to deceive you; we believe our software really is worth something."

This. They tried to shame people for downloading without paying, Foss community shamed them for that because they don't pay anything for the parts they get from Ubuntu, Debian, gnu, Linux etc.

Re: Switching from macOS: The Basics

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Post by dagw »

Freak_NL wrote: post #234
dagw wrote: post #94

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Where in the EU are you? Several companies sell essentially the same laptops under a different brand name: https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/laptops/ and https://www.mysn.de/ where the first two I found with some quick googling

Those appear to be laptops preloaded with Windows with an option to ship without an OS. The benefit of ordering from System76 is that the hardware all just works with Linux.

Here's a company in Sweden that sells Clevo laptops with Ubuntu pre-installed: http://www.ggsdata.se/index-en.php

Re: Switching from macOS: The Basics

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Post by jansenv »

epmaybe wrote: post #223
fnl wrote: post #211

I try Ubuntu about once a year, in the hopes of getting rid of OSX. But each time, the reason for going back to Apple ID is interoperability : Try dragging stuff (images, fotos, links, files, formatted text ...) from one program to another, including the "dreaded" Finder; Works nearly always in OSX. While Ubuntu has come a long way with these things, I think it's still an even longer way away from what OSX can do. So…

My biggest gripe with OS X right now is that Safari doesn't play nice with some website when it comes to dragging pictures and pasting them in from the clipboard.

I also can't stand the lack of plugin support on Safari. Is uBlock origin or similar available on that platform yet?

Re: Switching from macOS: The Basics

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Post by kevinherron »

vsgxvhdxh wrote: post #139
JonnieCache wrote: post #67

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What makes system76 laptops better than the XPS 13?

It is actually available to buy right now. The Xps 13 developer edition is not available and the Windows edition has different hardware which is not Linux compatible (WiFi).

Yes, it is available: http://www.dell.com/us/business/p/xps-13-9360-laptop/pd?3x_n...

Re: Switching from macOS: The Basics

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Post by reitanqild »

ajford wrote: post #235
fizzbatter wrote: post #157

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I really wish someone would start a paid OS based on Linux and OSS tools. I'd happily pay $100/y (year being, new versions/etc) for a stable and awesome UI/UX. As it is, my Macbook Pro Retina has been crashing a lot and doing weird things frequently since i upgraded to Sierra. Between that and the latest Macbook Pro notebooks, i just don't like Apple anymore. I'm pretty set on buying a highend laptop _(similar build…

Is that not what Red Hat is? I thought that's what the Red Hat license provided?

>> ... and awesome UI/UX.

> Is that not what Red Hat is? I thought that's what the Red Hat license provided?

I won't say anything bad about Red Hat, but calling the UX awesome isn't something I would do based on my experience. Then again, they might have changed but I haven't heard anybody mentioning it.

(This used to be Canonicals niche before they picked up the assumption that Mac-like == Good ; )

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