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Taking the final wrapper off of Android 7.0 Nougat

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Re: Taking the final wrapper off of Android 7.0 Nougat

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Post by vbezhenar »

ktta wrote: post #237
vbezhenar wrote: post #206

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I agree. Especially considering the fact that it's possible to revert to iOS 6 with iPhone 4S. That's what "fine" looks like. I don't want to blame Apple, but iOS works fantastically bad on old devices, and hard to impossible downgrade doesn't add much love either. I bought iPhone at the time because it was responsive and Android was laggy. Guess it's reversed now.

> fact that it's possible to revert to iOS 6 with iPhone 4S wait, can I get some more info about this? I assumed to cannot go back to old releases. Or are you talking about jailbreaking? > iOS works fantastically bad on old devices that's understating it. I actually think my nokia (symbianOS) from almost decade ago is faster. And I mean it is faster even today !

> wait, can I get some more info about this? I assumed to cannot go back to old releases. Or are you talking about jailbreaking?

You have to jailbreak current OS, then you can downgrade to iOS 6. It'll be jailbroken, but it's just enabled ssh, you can use it without installing Cydia and everything should work as normal. It could be done only with iPhone 4S or iPad 2 and only if current iOS is jailbroken (at least that was the case year ago, I was able to downgrade from iOS 8 to iOS 6 on iPhone 4S). Keyword to Google: OdysseusOTA. Officially there's indeed no way to downgrade, only using vulnerabilities.

Re: Taking the final wrapper off of Android 7.0 Nougat

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Post by soylentcola »

ktta wrote: post #237
vbezhenar wrote: post #206

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree. Especially considering the fact that it's possible to revert to iOS 6 with iPhone 4S. That's what "fine" looks like. I don't want to blame Apple, but iOS works fantastically bad on old devices, and hard to impossible downgrade doesn't add much love either. I bought iPhone at the time because it was responsive and Android was laggy. Guess it's reversed now.

> fact that it's possible to revert to iOS 6 with iPhone 4S wait, can I get some more info about this? I assumed to cannot go back to old releases. Or are you talking about jailbreaking? > iOS works fantastically bad on old devices that's understating it. I actually think my nokia (symbianOS) from almost decade ago is faster. And I mean it is faster even today !

Yeah, seriously. I've got an old iPad 2 and while I don't expect it to run like a (whatever the current iPad is called) the thing has been relegated to e-reader duty as even opening more than one tab in Safari causes it to lag and freeze up.

I've always spoken well of Apple's software update record but it comes with a nasty flipside in my experience: unlike an old x86 PC or Android device, once you update the OS, you're generally stuck. No downgrading and certainly no "slimmed down" builds or alternate OSes to breathe new life into physically intact but not-current hardware.

Re: Taking the final wrapper off of Android 7.0 Nougat

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Post by Shorel »

primo44 wrote: post #35

No Android 7 on my Nexus 5 might just be what pushes me to iOS. I've gone from being an Android evangelist to being an Android apologist ("Yeah, battery life sucks. Google has failed to fix it after X years") to now being, frankly, pissed off that my expensive phone is going to be left behind.

Heh, I just upgraded my Nexus 5 to Android 6 this week.

Been in 4.4 for ages, after testing the awful battery life of Android 5 and going back.

I find the battery life in 6 be about the same as 4.4, after installing xposed framework and Amplify & Greenify modules.

Besides a change in colors from dark to white, and the new lock screen notifications that I'm still thinking about disabling, I don't see a lot in actual improvements using Android 6.

Re: Taking the final wrapper off of Android 7.0 Nougat

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Post by hobarrera »

primo44 wrote: post #35

No Android 7 on my Nexus 5 might just be what pushes me to iOS. I've gone from being an Android evangelist to being an Android apologist ("Yeah, battery life sucks. Google has failed to fix it after X years") to now being, frankly, pissed off that my expensive phone is going to be left behind.

Much as I like iOS (as a normal user, not a dev nor power-user), you'll be surprised how poor battery life is.

Coming from Jolla, with a huge battery life, I was really disappointed that iOS can't make it an entire day without recharging. Even with bluetooth and gps mostly off.

Re: Taking the final wrapper off of Android 7.0 Nougat

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Post by int_19h »

thirtyseven wrote: post #89
int_19h wrote: post #57

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There is one awesome new feature that is not mentioned on most "best new features" list: built-in night mode (blue light filter). Works much better than similar apps from the store - those work by placing a translucent overlay window on top of everything else, which gives everything (including black!) a reddish hue. The new built-in filter, on the other hand, just removes blue, and blacks remain black.

Unfortunately, it doesn't appear that this made it into the final version of N. I can't find it anywhere in the settings anyway.

I have updated my 6P to final, and it's still there. You might still need to jump through "experimental feature" hoops to enable it though - I haven't checked, but you had to do so in the last preview build.

Re: Taking the final wrapper off of Android 7.0 Nougat

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Post by justinjlynn »

desdiv wrote: post #191
Sylos wrote: post #125

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Signal has a Google Play Services dependency for notifications, so it won't work properly without installing the whole Google package. Open Whisper Systems (the developers of Signal) apparently don't want to replace it or even just build in a fallback [0], and even fought with the LibreSignal developers, which is a fork that removes this dependency, and told them to stop using their servers [1], which lead to LibreSi…

There's a FOSS replacement for Google Play Services¹, and even Moxie himself² suggests using Signal with it if you not comfortable with Google Play. ¹ https://github.com/microg/android_packages_apps_GmsCore/wiki ² https://github.com/LibreSignal/LibreSignal/issues/37#issueco...

from 2: > I understand that federation and defined protocols that third parties can develop clients for are great and important ideas, but unfortunately they no longer have a place in the modern world.

Wow, Moxie... What the hell?

Re: Taking the final wrapper off of Android 7.0 Nougat

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Post by int_19h »

thirtyseven wrote: post #89
int_19h wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is one awesome new feature that is not mentioned on most "best new features" list: built-in night mode (blue light filter). Works much better than similar apps from the store - those work by placing a translucent overlay window on top of everything else, which gives everything (including black!) a reddish hue. The new built-in filter, on the other hand, just removes blue, and blacks remain black.

Unfortunately, it doesn't appear that this made it into the final version of N. I can't find it anywhere in the settings anyway.

So apparently what happened is that they left the code in, but removed the switch in System UI Turner. So those who were in the beta program, installed preview builds, and enabled the feature, still have it enabled after upgrading to 7.0 final. But if you didn't have it enabled before, there's no way to do so out of the box.

However, there's a third party app that provides access to the switch (seems to not work for some people, or require several tries - YMMV): http://android.wonderhowto.com/how-to/enable-hidden-night-mo...

Re: Taking the final wrapper off of Android 7.0 Nougat

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Post by tdkl »

infinityplus1 wrote: post #235
tdkl wrote: post #113

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Classic "don't fix it if it ain't broken". How have you manage to disable the System update annoyance ? Shitty Lollipop made me sell the Nexus 5 last year with its bad battery life and memory leak (and they still didn't fix the mobile radio wakelock), but when downgrading to 4.4 it was next to impossible to block the notification. I remember methods used at time just caused the Google Play Services to hold the wakelo…

Press and hold the notification, select App Info, disable notifications. That has worked for me very well.

On the Nexus? I remember that checkmark being disabled for the update notification.

Re: Taking the final wrapper off of Android 7.0 Nougat

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Post by Grazester »

Grazester wrote: post #36
wlesieutre wrote: post #24

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> Not really surprising given the device's age Nexus 5 released late 2013, last major OS update in late 2015. Compare to the iPhone 4S, which came out late 2011 and still got iOS 9 (4 years later). Really not buying the "two years is plenty of updates" excuse, especially from the Nexus line.

When you make your own chipset and dont rely on third party binary updates to enable new features also helps the iphone.

hmmm http://www.androidauthority.com/android-7-0-snapdragon-800-8...

Re: Taking the final wrapper off of Android 7.0 Nougat

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Post by LukeShu »

LukeShu wrote: post #129
hackuser wrote: post #105

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Re: APKMirror: I have the same questions I have about all APK proxy services - which claim to pull the APKs directly form the Play Store - why would I trust it to provide software that isn't infected with malware? Other than APK Downloader, I haven't found another credible source among the very many options. Any solutions would be appreciated. ---- [0] APK Downloader, for those interested ... I'd start with the origi…

There's also this desktop application to download from the play store https://codingteam.net/project/googleplaydownloader (codingteam.net, a "Forge" site, has an expired TLS cert)

New URL: https://framagit.org/tuxicoman/googleplaydownloader/
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