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Confirmed: Walmart buys Jet.com for $3B in cash

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Re: Confirmed: Walmart buys Jet.com for $3B in cash

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A public company like Walmart, there's some people doing some math here. http://www.zdnet.com/article/yahoo-reports-another-big-loss-... Yahoo also reported that it's writing down $482 million in charges related to the declining value of Tumblr, the social-blogging service that Yahoo acquired for $1.1 billion in 2013. http://www.theverge.com/2015/7/8/8910999/microsoft-job-cuts-... and the company is writing off $7.6…

My own observation is that the bets hardly ever pay off. Microsoft/Nokia is a great example but there are plenty of others. Maybe it's just confirmation bias, but I have trouble thinking of one counter example.

Adobe did buy AEM "when i was little" (you know, for like 20M or something I have no idea) and it has grown to 10x as much. However that is purchasing a smaller company...kind of like venture capital investment I guess. there seem to be plenty of examples where buying companies hasn't worked out (yahoo+tumblr comes to mind, and that's only recent news).

Re: Confirmed: Walmart buys Jet.com for $3B in cash

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Walmart has something Jet.com needs: one of the world's most advanced product delivery systems. Every Wal-Mart store is a distribution center waiting to happen. They are enormous and they are everywhere. Jet.com has something Wal-Mart can use to rocket its online presence forward: advanced online infrastructure, patents, a wealth of technology experts, and users. Together, Wal-Mart can beat Amazon at its own game by…

Jet also has something else that Walmart doesn't have: a better reputation. It doesn't hurt that Jet's founder also used to work for Amazon as well and he has a track record with founding and running Quidsi (Diapers.com, etc...)

It does have a reputation (for me, anyway) of possibly being cheaper. And tons of reviews online of people having poor experiences buying from it. That's the rep. it has for me so far :)

It does have a cooler looking website than walmart, and possibly even amazon. FWIW.

Re: Confirmed: Walmart buys Jet.com for $3B in cash

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I figured out what is going on here. Walmart thinks to themselves "we want to be like amazon, we want to be huge online" and then jet comes along and is something of an almost competitor to amazon, so corporate thinks "oh we should snap this up" but...my gut reaction here is this is going to be a terrible deal for walmart, what are they going to do, keep dumping $500M/yr for it at a loss or what? Pretty desperate, bu…

Walmart.com has much higher sales than Jet. It already is huge online, even if it's not Amazon huge. If anything, this is about pruning competition and buying potentially useful IP.

Honest question: do any readers here really order from walmart.com ? I am surprised they sell much at all, based on how much I personally have ordered from them (never).

Re: Confirmed: Walmart buys Jet.com for $3B in cash

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Walmart has something Jet.com needs: one of the world's most advanced product delivery systems. Every Wal-Mart store is a distribution center waiting to happen. They are enormous and they are everywhere. Jet.com has something Wal-Mart can use to rocket its online presence forward: advanced online infrastructure, patents, a wealth of technology experts, and users. Together, Wal-Mart can beat Amazon at its own game by…

jet.com has no: - reviews of products - no customer q&a section - no 3rd party seller ratings These are rather basic features in an ecommerce site. So no, I don't think the guys from jet.com are experts at all.

Worse than having no content is publicly showing an empty user-generated content section. Marketing-wise it also seems like a dumb idea to try to beat amazon.com on longtail.

Re: Confirmed: Walmart buys Jet.com for $3B in cash

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I figured out what is going on here. Walmart thinks to themselves "we want to be like amazon, we want to be huge online" and then jet comes along and is something of an almost competitor to amazon, so corporate thinks "oh we should snap this up" but...my gut reaction here is this is going to be a terrible deal for walmart, what are they going to do, keep dumping $500M/yr for it at a loss or what? Pretty desperate, bu…

If you're a cynical person that is an easy thought... but something tells me a 3B acquisition of a company that is losing money in so many places isn't a decision taken lightly. A public company like Walmart, there's some people doing some math here.

There are people doing the math.

The equation they're solving for is probably not, "How can we maximize Walmart's profits?", though. It's "How can I maximize my own immediate career goals?"

Re: Confirmed: Walmart buys Jet.com for $3B in cash

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We have close to 2,000 of them, and maybe 100-200 I would consider proficient in any type of technical role. There was a massive push to hire as many developers as possible, so recruiting extended offers to everyone that applied. Senior engineers who have no degree or have ever worked at a tech company before. I have no problem working with people who are capable of doing the work we need them to do.

Seems unlikely that America would import "no degree" Indians to work in tech

You don't understand big company politics. Number of reports determines whether a person is a manager, senior manager, or director and makes $120k, $170k, or $350k. The main metric of how good a manager is is simply butts in seat. Actually doing stuff doesn't matter.

Re: Confirmed: Walmart buys Jet.com for $3B in cash

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Walmart has something Jet.com needs: one of the world's most advanced product delivery systems. Every Wal-Mart store is a distribution center waiting to happen. They are enormous and they are everywhere. Jet.com has something Wal-Mart can use to rocket its online presence forward: advanced online infrastructure, patents, a wealth of technology experts, and users. Together, Wal-Mart can beat Amazon at its own game by…

jet.com has no: - reviews of products - no customer q&a section - no 3rd party seller ratings These are rather basic features in an ecommerce site. So no, I don't think the guys from jet.com are experts at all.

Perhaps they intentionally don't have those. I can see them being as much liabilities to a marketplace as a benefit - with significant overhead.

Re: Confirmed: Walmart buys Jet.com for $3B in cash

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Jet also has something else that Walmart doesn't have: a better reputation. It doesn't hurt that Jet's founder also used to work for Amazon as well and he has a track record with founding and running Quidsi (Diapers.com, etc...)

It does have a reputation (for me, anyway) of possibly being cheaper. And tons of reviews online of people having poor experiences buying from it. That's the rep. it has for me so far :) It does have a cooler looking website than walmart, and possibly even amazon. FWIW.

That's actually what I was discussing. Walmart does have the reputation for being cheap; too cheap at the expense of everything else (parking lot safety is just one example out of many). Market research has shown time and time again that they just can't win certain high income demographics (even after making major changes), which is just another reason that Costco, Target, and Amazon thrive and why I feel that this was a good buy for Walmart.

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By "zero out," do you mean they were previously valuable and then dropped below their strike price after accounting for the > 1x preference? That sucks and I'm sorry it happened to you. It's still pretty unusual though. Curious to hear - were any of the following factors in play: (i) the company was struggling to stay afloat, (ii) the company was located outside SF/NYC, (iii) the company had less-experienced founders…

The company was sold and my purchased shares were worth $0.00. The founders had secured, until I joined, funding coming in without any preferences at all, or so management told me repeatedly. I don't know when that changed, or maybe management was lying to me all along.

Might be worth suing?

Re: Confirmed: Walmart buys Jet.com for $3B in cash

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My own observation is that the bets hardly ever pay off. Microsoft/Nokia is a great example but there are plenty of others. Maybe it's just confirmation bias, but I have trouble thinking of one counter example.

Adobe did buy AEM "when i was little" (you know, for like 20M or something I have no idea) and it has grown to 10x as much. However that is purchasing a smaller company...kind of like venture capital investment I guess. there seem to be plenty of examples where buying companies hasn't worked out (yahoo+tumblr comes to mind, and that's only recent news).

Sorry, not familiar with the acronym AEM. But you do give me an opportunity to modify my statement - it seems that the larger and more strategic the acquisition seems, the more likely it is to fail. And even when it doesn't fail, the synergies never seem to gel - what news of Zappos lately?
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