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Announcing .NET Core 1.0

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Re: Announcing .NET Core 1.0

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Post by runT1ME »

PopsiclePete wrote: post #91
RomanPushkin wrote: post #34

Do we officially have better-than-Java on all platforms now?

Yeah but so what. If the "best" language always won, why isn't the entire world running on Haskell and Rust or whatever? Java's eco-system is ginormous and it's deeply entrenched as the "corporate stack" in non-MS shops, with more than 15 years of history. I'm afraid this is just too late to make a big dent. C# is nicer than Java, but not that much nicer to warrant switching over or rewriting your stuff in a very imm…

On top of that, Scala is a much nicer language than C#. I moved from being a C# developer to Scala and couldn't be happier. Best thing about C# is Visual Studio (IDEs are weaker in Scala land) but a bigger ecosystem and more powerful language make it for it imo.

Re: Announcing .NET Core 1.0

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Post by cfreeman »

BHSPitMonkey wrote: post #208
kbenson wrote: post #195

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Yep. Don't vote and nobody will care about your (unexpressed) needs when making decisions.

Well, it would be nice if there is a way to vote or express one's needs via some alternative to having one's usage actively mined for data.

I think you are truly in a minority if you'd rather take a survey than have the data collected automatically. There has to be a sane middle ground.

Re: Announcing .NET Core 1.0

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Post by enricosada »

Eyas wrote: post #209
ubertaco wrote: post #129

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Seconded. I saw the announcement and immediately went to grab the docker image and give it a shot with F# via "dotnet new -l F#" and go. It restored and built, but didn't run. So v1.0 is broken, I guess?

I don't think so. It means that the tooling is broken, which is not at 1.0 yet (still in `preview2` I believe).

Exacly, the preview2 of the sdk, atm, is broken for f#. Not the .net core, that's ok.

new console/lib templates are going to be published (with the fixed fsharp compiler/library package), that's all.

Re: Announcing .NET Core 1.0

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Post by ATsch »

tacos wrote: post #202
jsingleton wrote: post #103

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Much quicker and easier than simply forking the code and commenting out the telemetry feature :P

And 100x quicker than setting the clearly documented environment variable that disables the feature. > You can opt-out of the telemetry feature by setting an environment variable DOTNET_CLI_TELEMETRY_OPTOUT (e.g. export on OS X/Linux, set on Windows) to true (e.g. “true”, 1). Doing this will stop the collection process from running.

It is still opt-out, and thus considered harmful (at least by me)

Re: Announcing .NET Core 1.0

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Post by pcr0 »

AndreyErmakov wrote: post #44
BrentOzar wrote: post #31

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Microsoft already announced the SQL Server on Linux licensing: https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/dataplatforminsider/2016... "A customer who buys a SQL Server license (per-server or per-core) will be able to use it on Windows Server or Linux. This is just part of how we are enabling greater customer choice and meeting customers where they are." Same editions, same prices.

Thanks for the information! Apparently I missed that in the news stream. Sad to hear about that though. I was hoping for a break. Will just have to continue reading that PostgreSQL book I've already started.

I'm starting to learn postgres as well, which book if you don't mind me asking?

Re: Announcing .NET Core 1.0

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Post by Chlorus »

MagicWishMonkey wrote: post #238
computerlab wrote: post #24

A couple months ago I installed .NET core on a Ubuntu virtual machine running on the Windows 10 hypervisor, and was able to get a MVC5 app running using Visual Studio Code. As someone who really loves Visual Studio (it made me expect a lot more from my tools) and C# (it made me expect a lot more from my languages), it was an exciting moment. I actually took a selfie with my monitor. It was still a little rough: the "…

I wish MS would release a stripped down version of VS for OSX/Linux, but I know it probably won't happen.

Does this count? https://www.visualstudio.com/en-us/products/code-vs.aspx

Re: Announcing .NET Core 1.0

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Post by iask »

jenscow wrote: post #97
wvenable wrote: post #85

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Microsoft is looking to do more data-driven design; this is the reason for all the telemetry in Windows as well. Raymond Chen pointed out an example where a button was removed File Explorer (prime real-estate) because the telemetry showed that hardly anyone ever pressed it. It's unfortunate they are so tone-deaf about the PR implications in Windows.

Like when they removed Macros from Visual Studio because according to telemetry only 1% of users used them.

Are you referring to the 1% on wall street? ;)

Re: Announcing .NET Core 1.0

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Post by MagicWishMonkey »

Chlorus wrote: post #246
MagicWishMonkey wrote: post #238

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I wish MS would release a stripped down version of VS for OSX/Linux, but I know it probably won't happen.

Does this count? https://www.visualstudio.com/en-us/products/code-vs.aspx

I've played with VS Code a bit, it's a pretty cool tool for small scale scripting, but it's not really a replacement for a full fledged IDE.

Hopefully Jetbrains will release their cross platform C# IDE sometime soon. I would prefer Visual Studio, but I don't think that's going to happen (at least not anytime soon).

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Post by girvo »

MagicWishMonkey wrote: post #238
computerlab wrote: post #24

A couple months ago I installed .NET core on a Ubuntu virtual machine running on the Windows 10 hypervisor, and was able to get a MVC5 app running using Visual Studio Code. As someone who really loves Visual Studio (it made me expect a lot more from my tools) and C# (it made me expect a lot more from my languages), it was an exciting moment. I actually took a selfie with my monitor. It was still a little rough: the "…

I wish MS would release a stripped down version of VS for OSX/Linux, but I know it probably won't happen.

Visual Studio Code is pretty neat, and it's plugin system is very powerful: more and more languages are adding amazing IntelliSense and interactive debugging support for it. It's like Atom, if Atom was faster and focused on exposing nice APIs for autocompletion!

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Post by 616c »

jongalloway2 wrote: post #194
616c wrote: post #120

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So random question: I like when MS people come out and engage the community like we are responsible adults and not like moronic children who need hand-holding and cannot decide for ourselves. Since we all know the famous "Open Source is cancer" reign of Balmer oft-joked of here, I assume the related issue at hand is culture shift is good and less of a concern now, as opposed to a few years ago. But I am super happy w…

The best way to make sure they (we, since I work at Microsoft) get the feedback is by finding out where the product is listening. A lot of products have UserVoice set up, a lot of dev product teams (dotnet, asp.net, etc.) are looking for GitHub issues. For Windows 10 I'd recommend using the Windows 10 Feedback Hub - if you hate something about Windows 10, post feedback in the Feedback Hub before you uninstall it. Vis…

Well I tried that once or twice in the Connect era. But if you say it will make a difference this time, next time I have issues I will contribute.

And yeah, that cancer line was meant to snarky and cute, not factual. It does not really matter more than me indicating the obvious, that this is a big culture shift if you look at the timeline. I think MS has ways to go too, and the long game is where we will see how it fares, but I want to make sure we encourage the good. Or it will languish, as "no one cared after a while."

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