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Re: Trump

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Post by diyorgasms » Mon, Jun 20, 2016, 10:31 PM UTC

wsxiaoys wrote: post #23

powera wrote: post #4

I still wonder if any large tech companies (Google, Apple, etc) will endorse against Trump before November. They did on Prop 8, and Trump will similarly have an immediate negative impact on many of their employees.

Actually not. AFAIK, most Chinese H1B holders working in FLAG (Facebook, Linkedin, Amazon and Google) are either actively support Trump or strongly against Clinton. From their perspective, Trump is against illegal immigration while protect legal immigration visa holders. But from the company perspective, it's another story.

I have to wonder if these are Chinese immigrants who are loyal to the government in China and as such find Trump's strong authoritarian streak reminiscent of home.

Re: Trump

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Post by morgante » Mon, Jun 20, 2016, 10:34 PM UTC

mikeash wrote: post #38

This certainly doesn't match what I've seen. All the people who think Trump is unfit seem perfectly willing to say so. All of the people who support him seem to be completely sincere in their belief that Trump would make a good president. I don't see anyone giving any indication that they think Trump shouldn't be president, but that they're afraid to say so. There is no "charade," as the author puts it. It's possible…

> and those who endorse him mostly seem to be sincere about it

I really don't think that's true.

Do you think John McCain actually supports Trump?

I think the healthy majority of GOP politicians are unhappy with Trump, but saying that is politically dangerous.

Re: Trump

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Post by H0n3sty » Mon, Jun 20, 2016, 10:41 PM UTC

smacktoward wrote: post #87

kirinan wrote: post #25

While I think Trump is a bad choice, I think comparing him to Hitler is overzealous and irresponsible. There are no doubt similarities between the two but Hitler wrote an entire book about the "Jewish Peril" and how it was destroying society and needed to be dealt with. It was clear that Hitler had an agenda that was anti-semetic, and the charisma/ability to execute on it. Trump is a racist and a bigot, but he is far…

Among the very few specific policy proposals Trump has put forward, these are the most prominent: * Building a giant wall along the U.S.'s southern border to keep Mexicans out * Rounding up and deporting Hispanics currently in the U.S. on a mass scale never before seen in history I mean, yes, he's not proposing herding Hispanics into gas chambers, but he absolutely is talking about making American policy tilt harder…

No, he proposed deporting illegal immigrants, which happen to be predominantly from Mexico. Many people of other backgrounds who are in the US illegally will be deported as well.

It's interesting that a presidential candidate can differentiate themselves from other candidates (and receive so much hatred) by stating that they will enforce the law when elected.

Making everyone obey the law is not tilting policy against one group just because that group has abused it disproportionately.

Re: Trump

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Post by H0n3sty » Mon, Jun 20, 2016, 10:47 PM UTC

liberte82 wrote: post #239

I'm a little shocked at how many Trump supporters are in this thread. Is Trump popular in the startup scene?

Among some. Doing a startup isn't really a partisan issue.

Re: Trump

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Post by aerovistae » Mon, Jun 20, 2016, 10:52 PM UTC

sremani wrote: post #106

For the love of 100 million people dead in Europe in a short span of 32 years. Please stop comparing every other 'Native Populist' to Hitler, Mussolini etc. The politics may look similar, yes, there is a racial undertone to it, but seriously, argue the facts not fiction. Comparing Trump to Hitler is intersection of intellectual overreach and laziness.

Disagree.

The comparison is between Trump and what Hitler seemed to be before he revealed himself in full as what he truly was.

The analogy is completely sound. We are comparing to late 1920s Hitler, not 1940s hitler. It's an important distinction.

Re: Trump

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Post by heurist » Mon, Jun 20, 2016, 10:58 PM UTC

hnal943 wrote: post #213

heurist wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Illegal immigration from Mexico is around net zero. Why should we focus on illegal immigrants when there are so many major issues to solve?

Net zero? Do you mean that just as many US citizens are illegally emigrating to Mexico? Or that no Mexicans are coming illegally to the united states?

Inflow is balanced by outflow.

Re: Trump

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Post by antisthenes » Mon, Jun 20, 2016, 11:26 PM UTC

mikeash wrote: post #235

lizardskull wrote: post #217

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Mexico is not a race."

In a world where Obama is "black" but not "white," race is whatever people want it to be.

That's what most debates end up like on the internet.

Parties just endlessly change definitions of terms until it fits their narrative.

Re: Trump

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Post by selectron » Mon, Jun 20, 2016, 11:30 PM UTC

liberte82 wrote: post #239

I'm a little shocked at how many Trump supporters are in this thread. Is Trump popular in the startup scene?

The startup scene is primarily young, white and male. It isn't all that surprising that Trump has support among the startup scene. American tech workers are also particularly vulnerable to outsourcing and have suffered from the H1B program.

Re: Trump

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Post by AnimalMuppet » Mon, Jun 20, 2016, 11:31 PM UTC

davidw wrote: post #223

mikeash wrote: post #205

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The others weren't compelling, but at least most of them weren't completely nuts. Sure, the Republican primary electorate found Trump compelling, and that's why they won. And that's what scares me. I don't think they necessarily should have found any of the others compelling (what an awful field of candidates, I mean, seriously, what happened there?) but that's beside the point.

I'm a bit worried about what will happen if he loses and does not accept it.

If by "loses" you mean "loses the general election", that could be a bit problematic.

In 2000, Bush mainly kept his mouth shut. But Gore's campaign manager made a series of public statements along the lines of "Gore has clearly won, and if this goes to Bush it's a travesty of the election." That didn't help heal or unite the country after the election; arguably, the division has remained ever since.

Trump could do the same thing, but do it much more loudly, bombastically, and in a more attention-grabbing way. The only prevention would be for him to lose so strongly that nobody listens, and everyone writes it off as the whining of a bitter self-deluded loser.

Re: Trump

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Post by selectron » Mon, Jun 20, 2016, 11:32 PM UTC

Everhusk wrote: post #7

> And without it, we’ll lose our position as the most powerful country in the world. Why is this a bad thing? Isn't the goal of globalization to start thinking of our planet as a whole?

As an American, I care much more about the fate of America than I do about the fate of Europe. People are tribal animals.