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Facebook disabling messaging in its mobile web app to push people to Messenger

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Re: Facebook disabling messaging in its mobile web app to push people to Messenger

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This is hostile as fuck. Just clicking on the Messages icon on the mobile website launches Google Play Store.

I don't get why launching play store from browser is even possible.

Did anyone really think that would be used for a good purpose, instead of just rampantly abused?

Re: Facebook disabling messaging in its mobile web app to push people to Messenger

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Tyranny of the defaults goes both ways; If you're software doesn't have sane defaults, I will search for another.

That's interesting, because from your comment history you're in favour of user-specified preferences: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11114154

That's not incompatible with having sane defaults though...

Re: Facebook disabling messaging in its mobile web app to push people to Messenger

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This is hostile as fuck. Just clicking on the Messages icon on the mobile website launches Google Play Store.

Use this app to "intercept" https://f-droid.org/repository/browse/?fdid=org.surrel.messe...

The amount of stupid hacks I have to go through to make Android usable is making me consider trying out iPhone.

Re: Facebook disabling messaging in its mobile web app to push people to Messenger

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I'm sorry. I still don't understand what specific information Facebook can gather from them using their app that they can't from the browser. When I look in my phone settings for the Messenger app, I can switch off it's ability to look at locations, photos, etc. Tinfoil appears to be an app to specifically work around the fact that browsers can leak more information than the app would.

well the facebook app is always on, even in background. It is probably reading every keystroke and touch action, and even every pause between actions. But when accessing the basic browser site inside tinfoil, they can only get http actions you actually transmit, such as likes, login times, page loads, etc.

You think apps can read the text you type in to other apps without your permission?

Re: Facebook disabling messaging in its mobile web app to push people to Messenger

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I don't use FB, but my wife does. She is quite unhappy about it. She doesn't want FB to have access to everything (yes, some poor folk like us are not on Android 6 and will not be for a while.).

The other issue is the size of the app. I realize that most people don't have this issue, but on the lower end phones adding another 36mb app means loosing another. And given history that 36mb app is likely to be 80 by the end of the year.

Re: Facebook disabling messaging in its mobile web app to push people to Messenger

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Now it's going to be much harder to send messages from your friend's phone when your phone dies. Before you could use an incognito tab, and now you have to log out of the Messenger app entirely and log in as another user.

It doesn't seem like you can even log out anymore inside the iOS Messenger app. My wife was without her phone a few weeks ago and needed to message someone via FB.

I could not find the log out button in iOS Messenger, and the only way to do that seems to be logging in to fb.com and hitting a button there which will deactivate your phone session.

Re: Facebook disabling messaging in its mobile web app to push people to Messenger

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I have a FB account but rarely login to it. I've never installed the app on my iPhone because I don't want notifications and generally find FB distasteful. If there was a higher class crowd on FB I would probably use it more but for me it ended up being a bunch of people from my hometown / high school who are angry, usually at other ethnic groups and don't seem wildly successful in their own right. If I do want to lo…

You could just de-friend them.

...or unfollow them.

Most of the time, if someone complains about "stupid discussions/content" or anything alike, I feel that facebook just isn't used in its full potential.

I unfollowed/unfriended/blocked all the connections to people who produce content which isn't enriching my browsing experience. As a result I follow around 10% of my facebook friends, which is a set of about 200 connections with (mostly) valuable content.

Re: Facebook disabling messaging in its mobile web app to push people to Messenger

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I found this app meant to fight this block by facebook. https://github.com/gsurrel/MessengerBypasser/blob/HEAD/READM...

I tried it with tinfoil for facebook and it seems to work well.

It also states that what crashes the tinfoil-app is a call to launch Messenger.

Re: Facebook disabling messaging in its mobile web app to push people to Messenger

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I'm not a FB fanboy or anything, but sometimes it is a good choice to free yourself from legacy tech burden and build for the future. The web (html documents fetched via http requests) were not built with mobile devices in mind, especially websockets. In the mobile era, all messaging is based on push notifications which must go through the device vendor (APNS or GCM), and trying to support the legacy tech in this lan…

Yeah, first they threw out xmpp, so I couldn't use my preffered messaging app, then they kill messaging in the web view, forcing me to give up messaging or move to their messaging app, with intrusive permissions. This after they've soundly established that they don't respect users, with how they mangled addressbooks with an earlier version of the fb app. At least, since they're closing access from alternative sources…

The Facebook app on Android actually works fine without any special permissions. If you disable them all via the new methods in Marshmallow, it just continues trucking on. Of course they'll never stop asking for the extra permissions, but its functionality is pretty equivalent to the mobile site even with no intrusive permissions.

Re: Facebook disabling messaging in its mobile web app to push people to Messenger

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So rather than fixing the problems that result in users messaging via the mobile web app instead of the messenger app, they're just going to "solve" the problem by forcing users to use the messenger app? This is why Facebook as a company doesn't have high levels of consumer trust. This will bite them in the future. Once you lose that level of trust it is extremely difficult to gain back.

I have no qualms using WhatsApp. It is a very efficient and useful app. They should probably merge messenger and WhatsApp (or maybe not lest they end up making WhatsApp bad too)

WhatsApp would never accept that. Their brand is a ton better than Messenger's is, for good reason.
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