Brussels Rocked by Terrorist Attacks

Post by ascorbic » Tue, Mar 22, 2016, 2:06 PM UTC

mistermann wrote: post #206

ascorbic wrote: post #176

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Second generation immigrants don't mean this a problem with immigration. Lots of people like to link this to the current Syrian refugee crisis, but none of them are refugees. If you want to make it about immigration, make it about immigration from France's former colonies in the 1960s and 70s.

> Second generation immigrants don't mean this a problem with immigration And that they're not first generation immigrants doesn't prove it isn't a problem with immigration either. We are still left with this recurring coincidence aren't we. I don't claim to know the absolute truth here, I'm just suggesting we honestly acknowledge reality during discussions.

Post by [deleted] » Tue, Mar 22, 2016, 2:07 PM UTC

oneeyedpigeon wrote: post #207

cavilatrest wrote: post #188

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While I agree, I think we can admit that doing so will take some time. Would it not be appropriate to have compensating controls in the meantime?

The trouble is, temporary compensating controls have a history of becoming permanent once in place, so you need to be absolutely sure you want those controls forever.

Post by dharmach » Tue, Mar 22, 2016, 2:10 PM UTC

DoubleMalt wrote: post #136

What I find reassuring in the midst of this tragic mayhem however, is how little actual damage the terrorists could do. They had explosives, weapons, the resolve to sacrifice themselves and tried their best to do as much damage as possible. And they managed to to kill less than 30 people (provisional count). Of course every death that brought on by this fanatic mob is too much, but we should keep our perspective. A b…

Post by lgieron » Tue, Mar 22, 2016, 2:13 PM UTC

gambiting wrote: post #233

lgieron wrote: post #160

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What are 'deradicalization programs'? I'd say if some people (i.e. some imams) are semi-openly calling for destruction of France, they should just be banished from the country.

Some of them are French citizens with no other nationality - you cannot "banish" them, the only thing you could maybe do is put them in prison, but putting people in prison for speech you don't like is a dangerous avenue.

Post by musha68k » Tue, Mar 22, 2016, 2:14 PM UTC

rtpg wrote: post #172

DoubleMalt wrote: post #136

What I find reassuring in the midst of this tragic mayhem however, is how little actual damage the terrorists could do. They had explosives, weapons, the resolve to sacrifice themselves and tried their best to do as much damage as possible. And they managed to to kill less than 30 people (provisional count). Of course every death that brought on by this fanatic mob is too much, but we should keep our perspective. A b…

A major airport and the entire rail system of the city was shut down. A lot of damage was done. And, of course, a bunch of people died from something not many signed up for. Driving a car at least gives you the opportunity to reject taking on the risk. The fabric of society is based around us not shooting each other/ blowing up trains. Every event like this (or, say, some countries bombing out neighborhoods in other…