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Silicon Valley and Black Coders: Howard University fights to join the tech boom

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Re: Silicon Valley and Black Coders: Howard University fights to join the tech boom

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I get your point but I do think that "European culture" (that sounds strange to my American ears as I typically think of the individual nations, not Europe as a whole) is more homogeneous than Asian culture. Not that it is homogeneous, just closer on the spectrum.

Isn't it strange though that we agglomerate all of Asia into one, when it has two constituent parts that are larger than all of Europe combined, and with another billion or two spread out among a bunch of other smaller countries (the 8th most populous of which being larger than the most populous country in Europe)? Hell, if Germany was a province of China, it'd barely crack the top five in population. Spain wouldn't…

> Hell, if Germany was a province of China, it'd barely crack the top five in population

Wow. This completely blew my mind. It's incredibly ignorant how we (Americans) lump the provinces, languages, cultures, and 55 ethnicities[0] of China into Chinese people, and then lump Chinese people into Asians.

[0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_minorities_in_China

Re: Silicon Valley and Black Coders: Howard University fights to join the tech boom

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> One senior, Sarah Jones, ... “There are not a lot of people of color in the Valley—and that, by itself, makes it kind of unwelcoming." This statement may be true if "people of color" means African American. Otherwise, it is just not the fact. I do think, through my personal experience, the Valley is probably the most diverse place that I have been. I've seen people all over the wrold here: Asian, Latino, European,…

> I do think, through my personal experience, the Valley is probably the most diverse place that I have been. Yikes. You need to get out more, visit more places in America.

Out of curiosity, besides other large cities like NYC, LA, Chicago where have you experienced a large portion of people from around the world?

Re: Silicon Valley and Black Coders: Howard University fights to join the tech boom

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Haven't you heard that racism = power + prejudice, so black people by definition can't be racist because they don't have power? (This is not an opinion that I agree with, but a lot of people actually think that way).

The topic of race in america is a complex one. But our understanding of it evolves over time, just like in every other field of study. As a technical matter, the definition of racism is "prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior". That last part is important. Things can be racially motivated and negative without being raci…

What you describe isn't racism at all - assuming, of course, that hte landlord would rent to whites if they spoke his language.

On the other hand, I'm pretty sure that Twitter would explode if a black candidate was denied for "speaking black" (personally, I find it hard to understand non-mainstream dialects of English). Although tecnically, that still wouldn't be racism, but rather just generic discrimination.

Re: Silicon Valley and Black Coders: Howard University fights to join the tech boom

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Silicon Valley is not interested in hiring black programmers because they simply do not want to.

The easiest way to prove this is by looking beyond the software engineering field. Why do big SV companies like Facebook, Google or LinkedIn not have black non-engineering staff?

Are capable black accountants, project managers, lawyers, support staff non-existent too?

Re: Silicon Valley and Black Coders: Howard University fights to join the tech boom

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As a human that people in America would call black/African-American I really dislike articles like this. I understand that some black people feel like they cant relate to others, but I find the entire premise of such arguments about homogeneous workplaces and cultures completely ridiculous. The culture of 'black' people in Alabama will be very different from Howard or Washington DC, does that mean Alabama is unwelcom…

> I've never been openly been discriminated against

Yes, I always walk around with my head in the sand too.

Re: Silicon Valley and Black Coders: Howard University fights to join the tech boom

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Silicon Valley would rather hire foreigners than hire black Americans. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/04/technology/silicon-valley-... ... "Google revealed that its tech work force was 1 percent black, compared with 60 percent white. Yahoo disclosed in July that African-Americans made up 1 percent of its tech workers while Hispanics were 3 percent." Affirmative Action has worked in other industries. Why does it fail…

Simply stating a number like that adds absolutely nothing of value. There are a lot of questions you need the answers to in order to make any kind of judgment: - What is the racial makeup of the accepted applicant pool? - What is the racial makeup of the interviewed applicant pool (including those not extended offers)? - What is the racial makeup of the overall applicant pool (including those not invited for intervie…

How about non-engineering applicants? Why is there also little or non-existing black non-engineering (accountants, lawyers, project managers) staff in SV?

Re: Silicon Valley and Black Coders: Howard University fights to join the tech boom

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America is undisputedly the best country at assimililating immigrants. It comes from doing it for centuries. We are one of the only countries with complete mixed ethnicities and a strong nationality. But that doesn't really work for blacks because they aren't a different culture, they are a subculture. Their culture has been a part of American culture from the beginning. For almost all of American history they were e…

> America is undisputedly the best country at assimililating immigrants. > It comes from doing it for centuries. We are one of the only countries with complete mixed ethnicities > and a strong nationality. I'll dispute that. In my experience, Brazil is a better melting pot. Anecdotal example: In Brazil, you don't see people claiming they are Irish when their families have lived in the US for generations.

>Anecdotal example: In Brazil, you don't see people claiming they are Irish when their families have lived in the US for generations.

That is actually the key to Americas success. The total separation of ethnicity and national identity. It allows an immigrant to keep their ethnic identity and merely add an American one.

It's also helps when a white 5th generation american thinks they are Irish and American. They'll be less likely to believe that a newly arrived Mexican isn't really American. They intuitively know you can be both.

Re: Silicon Valley and Black Coders: Howard University fights to join the tech boom

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What a big steaming pile of political correctness. The author interviews a tiny handful of mediocre college students who blame their "color" for not getting hired right out of school by big, glamorous tech companies. Are we supposed to be sympathetic? I remember my own struggles to break into the tech business, many years ago now. Although white and "privileged", i.e. no cultural barriers to entry, I found it very to…

Please don't post ideological rants and angry invective to HN. They have no place here; we want thoughtful discussion.

Unfortunately, this is still worse:

> mediocre college students

You can't possibly know that.

It sounds like you overcame some significant obstacles, and that's admirable. But please don't put other people down.

Re: Silicon Valley and Black Coders: Howard University fights to join the tech boom

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I do think, through my personal experience, the Valley is probably the most diverse place that I have been. Yikes. You need to get out more, visit more places in America.

Out of curiosity, besides other large cities like NYC, LA, Chicago where have you experienced a large portion of people from around the world?

Honolulu :)

Re: Silicon Valley and Black Coders: Howard University fights to join the tech boom

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Did you read the article?

> Did you read the article?

Please don't. The HN guidelines specifically ask you not to: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10945107 and marked it off-topic.

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