Playing the devils advocat:
How Do you want to finance development in the lang run?
It is a nice solution and I'd hate to see it go because of financial problems.
Brave: Brendan Eich's clean-ads browser startup
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Re: Brave: Brendan Eich's clean-ads browser startup
#242You all are forgetting one thing. Without ads google would not exist, without ads facebook couldn't exist and expand, make research. If everybody will block ads then you will see decline in free sites.
You are forgetting one thing: Google ads were simple text and non-invasive.
Ads today tell me to rotate my phone to play a full screen video, play noise, track me, hide content between 10 clicks,infect my computer with malware, etc. They can all die, no one will miss them.
Re: Brave: Brendan Eich's clean-ads browser startup
#243Earlier quoted context omitted.
I want to say exactly the same thing. I block ads because I don't want to see ads at all. As long as there is the ad blocker, I don't want to use brave.
If you don't want to see ads at all why not just refrain from visiting the offending sites?
There's no free market on the internet. I can balance dirty facilities, long lines, bad service, and product quality pretty easy on brick and mortar, from Walmart/Kmart at the bottom up to the nicest designer shops. Same thing with food, nobody goes to McDonalds for a top of the line steak dinner.
On the internet all we got is I'm guessing I'd like to see your content but not your ads based on extensive past experience. The internet, believe it or not, is too small and disorganized, no matter how big and indexed and tracked it seems. Sure, we are learning what domains mean useless clickbait, but its not smooth and I don't know its an offending site until I'm already offended.
The next step up from ad blocking is domain blocking. At the browser rendering level, once I've had enough, goodbye to all links pointing to salon, perhaps. That'll result in spam style domain name registration to clickbait from in 2020 vs email spam from in 2000, everything old is new again, sooner or later.
Re: Brave: Brendan Eich's clean-ads browser startup
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I get your point, and it is a good one. We have a micro payments channel to publishers, frictionless and anonymous, under construction, for folks who want no ads and who will pay. Other users than you will be able to mix and match, too: better and more private ads on sites they don't support, with a revenue share to these users that they can spend on sites they do. We aren't saying "only ads". We do see ads as a nece…
I would love if it was more viable to choose between ads and payment. I don't know how much my current Web habits would end up costing. But if it was a lot, I could stand to cut down on my Web surfing. There are after all other worthwhile things to do.
If this browser is planning to block obtrusive / non-performant ads, and replace them with others, presumably they will have to work out how to pay the website owners. They could use the same structure to set up a micropayments.
Re: Brave: Brendan Eich's clean-ads browser startup
#245From a quick glance: 1) Desktop browser is an electron app with ad tracking injected into your app via http://cdn.brave.com/ (via https://sonobi.com/welcome/index.php which promises "EFFECTIVELY PLAN AND SOURCE MARKETING OPPORTUNITIES WITH QUALITY AND VIEWABILITY FROM PREMIUM PUBLISHERS" 2) iOS browser is a fork of Firefox iOS - https://github.com/mozilla/firefox-ios 3) Android browser is a fork of https://play.googl…
Would LOVE to see his response to this. So it's a sham.
How is it a sham? Taking an open source base and building on top of it as a business model is quite standard.
Re: Brave: Brendan Eich's clean-ads browser startup
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I'm doubtful of this taking off. People stick with the default apps and settings. Firefox overcame that disadvantage about 10 years ago. You could say Chrome did too (though nowadays Chrome is bundled so much it no longer applies).
Overcame...and then lost it. "Firefox's total user share -- an amalgamation of desktop and mobile -- was 9.5%" Firefox gained marketshare 10 years ago b/c most internet users were still early adopters. There people were more tech savvy and into open source. Source: http://www.computerworld.com/article/2893514/an-incredibly-s...
Firefox gained marketshare 10 years ago b/c most internet users were still early adopters. There people were more tech savvy and into open source.
That's a really interesting point. Makes it clear how high the bar is for new entrants.
Re: Brave: Brendan Eich's clean-ads browser startup
#247Is anyone else concerned about the possibility that if ad blocking on the web becomes widespread enough, we will end up with more ads baked into the content itself? Native advertising, ads burned into images, ads burned in the middle of videos? Thinking selfishly, I would much prefer the status quo, where I can block most ads, but the majority of consumers don't do it. Current ad blocking tech is fine, I'm afraid thi…
It was always like that. Even when we had to buy magazines. Go check out any hobbiest magazine (bikes, cameras etc etc) and they are ram packed full of ads.... um I mean reviews.
You're right, there will be new solutions to combat nefarious advertising. For example I can already imagine a plugin which uses ML to identify ads and block the content.... No more videos with ads in the middle.
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#248Earlier quoted context omitted.
The percentage of sociopathy does not match the percentage of homophobes opposed to marriage equality, a number which has changed a lot in living memory.
Virtually no one was opposed to marriage equality. Many people were and are opposed to the judicial redefinition of marriage.
> Virtually no one was opposed to marriage equality.
On the other hand, observed reality.
Re: Brave: Brendan Eich's clean-ads browser startup
#249It's great to see more people working to solve the problem of intrusive ads! I wonder what exactly they mean by intrusive ads, though? I hope it's more than just ads that don't respect your privacy. To me an ad is intrusive if it has any kind of movement or animation. Anything that moves automatically attracts my attention, so this is very annoying if I'm trying to read something. I don't mind ads in print magazines…
I'm seeing a lot of adds that ask me to rotate my phone so they can show me a video ad. It is getting ridiculous.
Re: Brave: Brendan Eich's clean-ads browser startup
#250It's funny when AdBlock tells you that brave.com has 2 blocked Ads. Oh the irony.
uBlock Origin is blocking 6 assets/sources