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Re: ChakraCore GitHub repository is now open

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post #157

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I think it's not so much "open source is our future" as it is "if you can't beat them, join them". I'm sure there are plenty of folks at Microsoft who realize that sticking with Windows in Cloud puts them at a competitive disadvantage vs eg Amazon or Google. There are things that _have to_ use Windows (Azure AD, MS SQL, Exchange, Sharepoint), but everything else is only harmed by it. So the litmus test is going to be…

It's sort of comical you say Azures is a competitive disadvantage. Azure and GCE are in almost every way superior to AWS in terms of everything but established marketshare. If I were going back to step 0 with a startup today, I would not repeat my decisions to stick with AWS. Their stack is slow-moving and frustrating. The VPC rollout has been a slow motion car crash that is only righting itself in the past 3 months.…

I didn't say Azure is at a competitive disadvantage (though it is, when it comes to Linux -- their Linux VMs are substantially slower than competition). I merely said that given choice, people prefer Linux as a platform, and they do so for a reason: better tooling, less vendor lock in, greater variety of free/libre backend software and frameworks, to name just a few. Windows really is redundant in this environment.

Re: ChakraCore GitHub repository is now open

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post #238

I'm skeptical. Over the past 5 years or so, Microsoft has lost developers as a core group. There are certainly interesting things happening out of their dev group, but with the rise of Cloud infrastructure, cheap (free) alternatives to WINS stacks rose tremendously in popularity. I was a Seattle Techstars 2013 Founder, and the only two teams using MSFT tech were those whose founders were ex-Microsoft employees. This…

I'm more than skeptical towards M$, I have a deep deep aversion to anything they are associated with - based on decades of using their products and wrangling their apis as a developer. Every time I use firefox or libre-office or linux or vim or postgres or http or node.js or any of the great open alternatives to the ugly walled garden that is Microsoft, I feel free as an individual and empowered as a developer - I at…

Please, please explain to me how anyone forking any project you use poses a direct threat to you. How do y'all even think it's a reasonable statement to say "I hope X never forks Y". Who cares? Grow up and realize that MSFT is full of individuals who just want to build shit. We don't get to bed at night plotting ways of screwing you.

Re: ChakraCore GitHub repository is now open

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post #31

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> MS really changed its approach to software Their open-source friendliness has unfortunately coincided with a decline of their respect for user privacy and choice (Windows 10). I find the "New Microsoft" bittersweet.

The Windows 10 privacy thing is completely overblown. Most of the privacy settings that people are most worried about is tied into Cortana or more specifically what you allow Cortana to do on your behalf. You can simply choose not to use Cortana or to disable it entirely. Google Now & Siri support the same functionality but ironically don't give you the settings to disable it, so nobody bats an eyelid. Beyond that yo…

I am fine if they collect basic anonymous telemetry data to track user patterns and find out system stability and such only if they specifically state all the parameters they collect.

Plus them collecting data from windows 8(.1) and 7 users without any proper warning/message to user is wrong.

Re: ChakraCore GitHub repository is now open

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post #242

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It's sort of comical you say Azures is a competitive disadvantage. Azure and GCE are in almost every way superior to AWS in terms of everything but established marketshare. If I were going back to step 0 with a startup today, I would not repeat my decisions to stick with AWS. Their stack is slow-moving and frustrating. The VPC rollout has been a slow motion car crash that is only righting itself in the past 3 months.…

I didn't say Azure is at a competitive disadvantage (though it is, when it comes to Linux -- their Linux VMs are substantially slower than competition). I merely said that given choice, people prefer Linux as a platform, and they do so for a reason: better tooling, less vendor lock in, greater variety of free/libre backend software and frameworks, to name just a few. Windows really is redundant in this environment.

I was doing some benchmarking on AWS, GCE and Azure at various price points for some research and didn't see Azure perform much worse for similar price points to AWS. Everyone is slower than GCE.

Do you have references for the assertion? I'm entirely happy to say I did the tests wrong, I did them as a trio of evening projects.

Re: ChakraCore GitHub repository is now open

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Well, Chakra is a bit ahead of V8 in ES6 implementation right now. https://kangax.github.io/compat-table/es6/

Actually, try it with current Chrome Canary (V8 version 4.9.355). They just hit 92% with no flags.

That's awesome! With SpiderMonkey hitting 90%, WebKit at 81%, V8 92% and Chakra at 80%, ES6 as production target becomes realistic!

I'm wondering when Android/iOS default browsers will get updates because that's going to be the one remaining blocker. (and IE11 of course... but that's just waiting for userbase to move away from it :/)

Re: ChakraCore GitHub repository is now open

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I'm skeptical. Over the past 5 years or so, Microsoft has lost developers as a core group. There are certainly interesting things happening out of their dev group, but with the rise of Cloud infrastructure, cheap (free) alternatives to WINS stacks rose tremendously in popularity. I was a Seattle Techstars 2013 Founder, and the only two teams using MSFT tech were those whose founders were ex-Microsoft employees. This…

One thing that always baffled me was "routine software audits" by Microsoft, Oracle, and the likes. So, you license a technology, and now your supplier can police you at their own wish. OK, there are situations when you have no choice - they are the only game in town. But in the last decade much of the infrastructure has been available in an open-source form. I am surprised anyone would touch anything from such compa…

I assume its related to the Sarbanes–Oxley Act, financial reporting and off-balance sheet liabilities https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarbanes%E2%80%93Oxley_Act#Sar...

Re: ChakraCore GitHub repository is now open

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Clang and LLVM could have been a GCC project instead, but Stallman decided against it. Also, the reason you could only get the AST as a XML dump was because of the same shortsighted mindset.

Stallman also had a reason for that. If he wouldn't insist on respecting GPL for GCC, there would be no GPL licensed Objective-C compiler, because Jobs would simply never free-source it.

Except that clang is free, under a completely open license, which completely and utterly negates your second sentence.

Re: ChakraCore GitHub repository is now open

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Stallman also had a reason for that. If he wouldn't insist on respecting GPL for GCC, there would be no GPL licensed Objective-C compiler, because Jobs would simply never free-source it.

Except that clang is free, under a completely open license, which completely and utterly negates your second sentence.

Swift was unfree until recently. That couldn't have happened with GCC.

Re: ChakraCore GitHub repository is now open

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post #215

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>When Joyent decided they didn't want to embrace anymore, the community took the extinguisher out of their hands Joyent wound up embracing io.js, and Node.js is moving at a very fast pace now while maintaining LTS branches in parallel. It's a very well managed project, in my opinion. Aside, how come anything remotely questioning of Microsoft when there's an announcement is met with downvotes?

Aside, how come anything remotely questioning of Microsoft when there's an announcement is met with downvotes? I don't think it is. However, I'll downvote criticism that isn't actually based on anything other than "well, you know, it's Microsoft so they won't", "remember extend, embrace, extinguish?" or "M$", etc. etc. Criticism with actual backing is fine.

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