He must have rich patents or a sponsor. The Lidar isn't cheap (50k).
The first person to hack the iPhone is building a self-driving car
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Re: The first person to hack the iPhone is building a self-driving car
#242Prototypical case of the 80/20 rule. He has implemented the happy case. But that system is nothing people realistically would want to drive their cars. What he did is impressive. But the results are not that outlandish for a talented person. 1) Hook up a computer to the CAN-Bus network of the car [1] and attach a bunch of sensor peripherals. 2) Drive around for some time and record everything to disk. 3) Implement so…
"Prototypical case of the 80/20 rule. He has implemented the happy case. But that system is nothing people realistically would want to drive their cars."
I'm painfully aware of this. Ten years ago I ran one of the 2005 DARPA Grand Challenge teams. That's about what we produced with less than three full time equivalent people. We didn't have to handle other vehicles, but we did have to handle off-road conditions. Ours didn't make many mistakes, but it was very conservative and kept stopping to rescan its environment with a line-scanning LIDAR on a tilt head.
I'm scared of happy-case automatic driving implementations. Tesla went down that road and had to back up, removing some features. Cruise's PR indicates they were going that way, but they now realize that won't work.
Re: The first person to hack the iPhone is building a self-driving car
#243Prototypical case of the 80/20 rule. He has implemented the happy case. But that system is nothing people realistically would want to drive their cars. What he did is impressive. But the results are not that outlandish for a talented person. 1) Hook up a computer to the CAN-Bus network of the car [1] and attach a bunch of sensor peripherals. 2) Drive around for some time and record everything to disk. 3) Implement so…
Why is the first comment on HN minimizing this truly impressive project? Of course it's not perfect, he's ONE person.
Because "minimizing" is an emotional notion, and it's irrelevant. But providing a response to over-enthusiastic reception is informative if only because it presents the other side of the issue.
In other words, I don't care if this guy is painted as a genius or script kiddie. He's not relevant in my life, and I will forget about him a week later. However, the lessons about machine learning and engineering that I can find in thsi article is the reasons I subscribe to HN (yes, I don't really know shit about these topics, and don't have enough time to fill gaps with real sources), and this comment is the most informative, just because he tries to cover what the article didn't.
Re: The first person to hack the iPhone is building a self-driving car
#244Prototypical case of the 80/20 rule. He has implemented the happy case. But that system is nothing people realistically would want to drive their cars. What he did is impressive. But the results are not that outlandish for a talented person. 1) Hook up a computer to the CAN-Bus network of the car [1] and attach a bunch of sensor peripherals. 2) Drive around for some time and record everything to disk. 3) Implement so…
It's pretty cool that it can be done on the cheap, though. I imagine a lot of people would be willing to pay a couple hundred dollars to retrofit their car to get autosteer alongside their cruise control feature. Small personal example: my family lives out in the suburbs. My dad works in a neighboring city. His commute is about a half hour, 20 minutes of which is a straight shot on a major highway. I'm sure he'd be w…
I certainly wouldn't want to add amateur autosteer to my car, or accept the responsibility that comes from hacking my own self-driving car. The big manufacturers will accept liability for their systems -- build your own (or hack a factory system), and you're on your own, personal auto insurance may not even cover you since you weren't driving.
Re: The first person to hack the iPhone is building a self-driving car
#245Earlier quoted context omitted.
Because wage slavery is ultimately not much better than slavery, and its abolishment does not necessitate the collapse of society. A world where no one is forced to work is a better world.
Wage slavery is just fine as long as I can feed myself. Time has proven that the fantasy that we will all kick back and let the machines do all of our work is a fallacy.
Just because it hasn't happened yet, doesn't mean it won't happen in the future.
Re: The first person to hack the iPhone is building a self-driving car
#246Earlier quoted context omitted.
Creating 1 job is better than hundreds?
Well, Hotz did state that, “The truth is that work as we know it in its modern form has not been around that long, and I kind of want to use AI to abolish it. I want to take everyone’s jobs. Most people would be happy with that, especially the ones who don’t like their jobs. Let’s free them of mental tedium and push that to machines. In the next 10 years, you’ll see a big segment of the human labor force fall away. I…
Yeah and the world will split in rich and poor people with poor starving.
Re: The first person to hack the iPhone is building a self-driving car
#247It's somewhat frustrating that he continues to get the credit for "hacking the iphone" when he was neither the first nor the only person on the project. The "iPhone Dev Team" was a group of five to ten people who built tools to jailbreak the phone and unlock the radio. If anything, the first person was a guy called Nightwatch who was also associated with various .tif exploits to unlock the PSP. As near as I could tell at the time he worked in some capacity for a South American university. Geohot worked only on the baseband unlock and was forced out of the closed discussions when he released exploits before everyone had time to prepare. This is important because some peoples participation in the project could have potentially affected their employment. Luckily I don't know that anything bad happened, but suffice it to say the kid is not a team player.
Re: The first person to hack the iPhone is building a self-driving car
#248So its more a fancy autopilot than a self driving car.
You're aware that "auto pilot" literally means "self driver", right?
Yet few people would call an airplane with auto-pilot a "self-flying plane", even with advanced autopilot that can take off and land itself.
Autopilot is understood to mean a limited computer assist that can help with routine tasks, but not expected to allow a plane to fly without a pilot.
Re: The first person to hack the iPhone is building a self-driving car
#249Prototypical case of the 80/20 rule. He has implemented the happy case. But that system is nothing people realistically would want to drive their cars. What he did is impressive. But the results are not that outlandish for a talented person. 1) Hook up a computer to the CAN-Bus network of the car [1] and attach a bunch of sensor peripherals. 2) Drive around for some time and record everything to disk. 3) Implement so…
2) It's probably not a disk. I'd bet it's an SSD, or something. I doubt he'd use an HDD considering how relatively cheap it is now... and considering how loaded he probably is.
Re: The first person to hack the iPhone is building a self-driving car
#250Earlier quoted context omitted.
I wish I could upvote this more. A person in their 20's knows nothing, but thinks they've outsmarted the world. It's not until your 30's that you realize how big of an idiot you were/are and how much of the world you actually understand (read: little).
Isaac Newton invented calculus in his early 20s
He also nearly killed himself with alchemy experiments. He was very right about some things, and very wrong about others.