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Post by shitsandwich »

unabst wrote: post #162
x5n1 wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The future is a future where no semblance of privacy exists. In the year 3000: "Truth about the ugliness of the human race will finally be revealed when every single detail about anyone's life is public knowledge available to all."

This sounds more like 2020. By the year 3000 there is a great chance we'll all have gotten over our fear, our conflict with government, and ourselves. Who wants to know? This is a question easily overlooked, but is crucial to observation (aka surveillance). Observation is done by an observer and done with intent. Without intent, we stop looking. I for one don't want to know or care for petty details about my neighbor…

my bet humanity has another 25 years max

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Post by btilly »

scythe wrote: post #163
vezzy-fnord wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Again, you have no way of gauging intent. An example the poster above gave is a really great one. A couple having a consensual S/M relationship that involves controlled pain, possibly leaving visible marks. Your method would be to immediately rat them out to the authorities. Congratulations, you just ruined a happy couple's relationship because you can't see past your own thin worldview, and never bothered to think b…

BDSM is legal under Lawrence v. Texas in the United States, as I recall. The police are generally aware of this. Though, in this situation, a reasonable person would ask first.

That decision legalized sodomy, not S&M.

S&M is in much more of a grey area. See https://ncsfreedom.org/key-programs/consent-counts/consent-c... for details.

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Post by mjcohen »

unabst wrote: post #162
x5n1 wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The future is a future where no semblance of privacy exists. In the year 3000: "Truth about the ugliness of the human race will finally be revealed when every single detail about anyone's life is public knowledge available to all."

This sounds more like 2020. By the year 3000 there is a great chance we'll all have gotten over our fear, our conflict with government, and ourselves. Who wants to know? This is a question easily overlooked, but is crucial to observation (aka surveillance). Observation is done by an observer and done with intent. Without intent, we stop looking. I for one don't want to know or care for petty details about my neighbor…

By 3000, I doubt that anything resembling modern society will exist. Look at life in the 1800s or 1700s to see what things will be like, if we are lucky.

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Post by wodenokoto »

dhimes wrote: post #148
LordKano wrote: post #134

My reaction is still mostly schadenfreude. If/when these people are caught, they should face the consequences of their actions but I'm not going to wrap paranoia over my own peccadillos in fake outrage over internet privacy. I'm opposed to people doing unauthorized things with other people's property on general principles. I'm far more concerned with the IRS's data breach because every victim was legally compelled to…

Agree. But if I understand correctly, the purpose of the hack was to take down a website that was ripping people off and, in the minds (if not experience) of the hacker(s), a scam. In a way, it's not unlike Snowden's revelations. Yes, it was illegal. Yes, some people are embarrassed. But the intent, in the long run, is actually to protect those people. And, regrettably, the fact that sex secrets were exposed is likel…

I read their statement as they were morally angry at the purpose of the enterprise

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Post by jasonlotito »

rubicon33 wrote: post #203
jasonlotito wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The naming and shaming is disgusting. There are people who are cheering on the hackers. They completely disregard the ramifications of this for the innocents involved (the family members and loved ones of the person who signed up) who now have to deal with all this publicly. Imagine any couple that went through a rough patch and reconciled. They've already moved past this, and now they have to live with the knowledge…

In life, you get to choose your actions, but you do not get to choose the consequences. Yes, some 'went through a rough patch' and 'already moved past this', and are now dealing with a world of pain. But ask yourself, what makes you the authority on how much pain they should have endured for their mistake? As fate would have it, whatever 'moving past' they did will now be really put to the test. This will give some c…

> Is this the fault of the hackers?

Yes.

> I'd argue not.

Wouldn't be much of an argument as you'd be wrong. Rather than going about other means to release this information privately, they dumped it on the world. They made that choice.

> It's the liars, and the cheaters who hurt their family, not the hackers.

Who are you to speak on behalf of everyone who has to deal with the outcome of this? I know for a fact that you are making some grand assumptions that are wrong.

> Yes, some 'went through a rough patch' and 'already moved past this', and are now dealing with a world of pain. But ask yourself, what makes you the authority on how much pain they should have endured for their mistake?

Unlike you, I give a damn about privacy. You clearly do not. What's your real name? Where do you work? Please, share with us the details of your life.

I swear, people like you are terrible, terrible evil people. Not caring about people though their lives are on the line for doing absolutely nothing wrong. But no, just because they are associated with something you disagree with in some way, you feel it's their fault.

You are awful.

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Post by vonklaus »

lawl wrote: post #27
ChuckMcM wrote: post #21

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unclear if its a witch hunt or if Krebs wants to be on record with his reasoning in order to secure some of that $500K bounty if it turns out to be this guy? I've never figured out how they actually decide who gets what if they have to split that up.

He could have not posted the twitter handle but a hash instead? echo "The Twitter handle Brian Krebs anonymized in this blog post is..." | sha256sum There you go, you can prove it to anyone at any point in time.

then he could not provide evidence the handle and hack were connected. He would either need to provide enough relevant information for a reader to independently discover that Zu was the correct twitter handle, or leave out enough info that it wouldn't be convincing.

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Post by task_queue »

x5n1 wrote: post #40
vezzy-fnord wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd argue the opposite. The AM hack hasn't helped at all, since enough people view it as a just retribution due to it being about a pet moral value that is held dear, namely marital fidelity. And to others, it's all a big joke. The cheating cheaters (who likely never got the opportunity to cheat) have been named and shamed, and because of those asserting that it's acceptable to do this if it strokes their personal mo…

The future is a future where no semblance of privacy exists. In the year 3000: "Truth about the ugliness of the human race will finally be revealed when every single detail about anyone's life is public knowledge available to all."

Privacy for you and me, maybe. Do you think if you have any kind of real power you will be subject to that scrutiny?

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Post by task_queue »

rubicon33 wrote: post #203
jasonlotito wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The naming and shaming is disgusting. There are people who are cheering on the hackers. They completely disregard the ramifications of this for the innocents involved (the family members and loved ones of the person who signed up) who now have to deal with all this publicly. Imagine any couple that went through a rough patch and reconciled. They've already moved past this, and now they have to live with the knowledge…

In life, you get to choose your actions, but you do not get to choose the consequences. Yes, some 'went through a rough patch' and 'already moved past this', and are now dealing with a world of pain. But ask yourself, what makes you the authority on how much pain they should have endured for their mistake? As fate would have it, whatever 'moving past' they did will now be really put to the test. This will give some c…

Hackers publicly exposed personal information but it is not the their fault that the personal information was publicly exposed?

I'm not sure how this follows.

You seem to be very glad society hasn't moved on from the "Name and Shame" game. The one that ends in death, violence and shame for everyone close to and including the named.

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Post by bduerst »

gwern wrote: post #54
eghri wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem with digital data is that it can be replicated at no cost and with no trace, so there wouldn't be any way for Ashley Madison to ever be sure the leak was contained. They could pay $10MM for a copy of the data... and two months later it can anonymously show up on Tor. Not to mention the hackers would need to come forward to collect the $10MM, which might land them in a jail cell before they can collect.

There is no need for it to be a lump sum. A (much smaller) regular monthly payment to a Bitcoin address is perfectly adequate a mechanism.

>"Perfectly Adequate"

All bitcoin transactions are public record, and even if you tumble you are setting yourself for getting caught by repeatedly doing the same actions. Besides, the value of the information decreases over time, meaning you're going to be making the large payments up front.

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Post by isaacremuant »

dhimes wrote: post #148
LordKano wrote: post #134

My reaction is still mostly schadenfreude. If/when these people are caught, they should face the consequences of their actions but I'm not going to wrap paranoia over my own peccadillos in fake outrage over internet privacy. I'm opposed to people doing unauthorized things with other people's property on general principles. I'm far more concerned with the IRS's data breach because every victim was legally compelled to…

Agree. But if I understand correctly, the purpose of the hack was to take down a website that was ripping people off and, in the minds (if not experience) of the hacker(s), a scam. In a way, it's not unlike Snowden's revelations. Yes, it was illegal. Yes, some people are embarrassed. But the intent, in the long run, is actually to protect those people. And, regrettably, the fact that sex secrets were exposed is likel…

Read the "Time's up" message they wrote. They pretty much speak in a righteous way to the signed up people. They tell them to "atone and move on" or something of the sort.

This reads to me more like "power trip" than anything else.

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