Tesla’s Model S Gets “Ludicrous” Mode, Will Do 0-60 in 2.8 Seconds • Hacker News Board

Re: Tesla’s Model S Gets “Ludicrous” Mode, Will Do 0-60 in 2.8 Seconds

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Post by toufka » Sat, Jul 18, 2015, 12:00 AM UTC

cherry_su wrote: post #226

theonlyhighlndr wrote: post #138

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Okay. Now what are their lap times? Center of gravity is one of the dozens of aspects working in conjunction that make cars fast. One of the most important being, weight.

Let's take Nurburgring-Nordschleife, since that's generally accepted as The Proving Grounds. For these three cars in question: Tesla Model S: DNF, overheated, http://insideevs.com/expected-tesla-model-s-fails-lap-nurbur... Ford GT: 07:52, https://nurburgringlaptimes.com/lap-times-top-100/ Porsche Boxster S (981): 07:58, http://fastestlaps.com/cars/porsche_boxster_s_981.html

You should at least do it the justice of pointing out what the driver said:

>The lap itself was around 10 minutes Bridge to Gantry (in heavy traffic) but unfortunately the car went into a reduced power mode about 3 minutes in due to excess battery heat (at least, that’s my guess).

>However, before it did it was able to keep a GT3 RS going full chat, within shouting distance (at the 2:00 mark) far longer than any 4,700lb sedan has a right to.

>I think without the reduced power output and traffic, a B-T-G lap under nine minutes is possible. According to the Bridge To Gantry site, that would put it in the company of some really quick hot hatches.

Re: Tesla’s Model S Gets “Ludicrous” Mode, Will Do 0-60 in 2.8 Seconds

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Post by Shivetya » Sat, Jul 18, 2015, 12:02 AM UTC

stefanobernardi wrote: post #9

Even if not a software update, I still find Tesla's way of thinking of a car as an actual (continuously update/upgrade-able) product fascinating. Very rare for hardware. It gives an amazing user experience, "Hey restart your car and it's now got X and Y". Respect. Edit: clarifying the term "product".

Sorry, but honestly making it faster is about the opposite I want to see as an improvement. It is a near admission, we can't do jack about range so lets wave our dicks around at the stop light.

I was so hoping the D would have stood for distance/double/ etc before speculation ruined that idea. Now it seems their only news is, look its faster which runs counter to the conservation idea of EVs

Re: Tesla’s Model S Gets “Ludicrous” Mode, Will Do 0-60 in 2.8 Seconds

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Post by fencepost » Sat, Jul 18, 2015, 12:03 AM UTC

gonehome wrote: post #128

tthayer wrote: post #89

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Agreed. The 2015 Mazda3 we just bought has a horrible info/nav system that crashes and frequently stops responding. I'm guessing the actual chance of it ever being fixed at 0%. Tesla's get an automatic OTA update that would fix that kind of thing and it wouldn't be something you'd have to 'deal' with for the rest of your ownership of the vehicle.

My friend has a Mazda3 and we hacked on it over the weekend to make the infotainment system a little bit better. Check this out: http://www.mazda3hacks.com/doku.php You can turn off the annoying restrictions, change the ordering of some menus and drastically reduce the time of the starting confirmation dialogue box. All you need is a USB to Ethernet adaptor. Also make sure to disable watchdog or you can get into a re…

My predecessor to the Mazda3 (Protege5) was my second Mazda and convinced me that it would likely be my last because over at least a 6 year period Mazda didn't manage to figure out "polish" in cars.

The P5 and predecessor Protege were fun to drive, worked OK, etc. but both were their high-end trimlines and my experiences with the two cars gave me the feeling that Mazda was prone to leaving out stupid really cheap stuff that would have drastically improved the feel/experience of the vehicles.

The examples that still jump out at me are:

* a front passenger door with no internal power lock switch - using the key on the outside you could lock/unlock everything, but from the inside passenger seat you had to lean over to hit the switch on the driver's door. Likely manufacturing cost savings? Maybe $5 including labor? I'd be surprised if the switch and wires would have cost more than $1 at car manufacturer volumes.

* trunk carpeting that was basically nylon felt placed on top of a smooth plastic spare tire cover - not attached anywhere, just sitting there where anything on it would just cause the whole piece of carpet to slide all over the trunk. My fix was 5 hook sides of wide adhesive-backed industrial Velcro. Worked for years with no problem, cost if done at the factory? Probably less than $0.50, but it might have cut into the options of selling aftermarket trunk liners so maybe it was intentional.

* cupholders that were not in fact deep enough to retain any cup, can or bottle commonly sold in US convenience stores during a turn. Make a sporty little car with a stiffened suspension, put in a 5-speed manual, then require that drivers going through curves at speed or turns without a full stop have to hold any beverages in the cupholders or have them go flying underfoot.

The cars themselves were fine for 100-135k miles each and there were workarounds I could put in place for everything, but stupid little crap like that still makes me feel like if they don't care enough to take cheap steps like that then what more expensive things are they skipping?

Re: Tesla’s Model S Gets “Ludicrous” Mode, Will Do 0-60 in 2.8 Seconds

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Post by beachstartup » Sat, Jul 18, 2015, 12:03 AM UTC

declan wrote: post #110

DanBlake wrote: post #12

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The GTR is 2.9 seconds, so the tesla is faster- Its also faster in the 1/4 mile as well, so this is kind of a big deal. I believe this is the fastest production car under 300k that you can buy.

>I believe this is the fastest production car under 300k that you can buy. The 2014 Porsche 911 Turbo S was tested by Car and Driver at 2.5 seconds 0-60, and it's ~$200K, depending on options: http://www.caranddriver.com/porsche/911-turbo-turbo-s I suspect the 2015 Turbo S might be a bit quicker.

the new S is quicker than advertised, for two reasons:

1. next year's needs to be quicker on paper by a small margin

2. the 918 needs to be the fastest on paper by a large margin

what's remarkable about the S is it can do launch-controlled full throttle runs to 60 repeatedly. most other cars in this acceleration class (this new tesla, gt-r, veyron) are simply incapable of that, for various reasons.

well, maybe the veyron, but who really cares because it's ludicrous for other reasons.

Re: Tesla’s Model S Gets “Ludicrous” Mode, Will Do 0-60 in 2.8 Seconds

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Post by ryguytilidie » Sat, Jul 18, 2015, 12:14 AM UTC

Shivetya wrote: post #232

stefanobernardi wrote: post #9

Even if not a software update, I still find Tesla's way of thinking of a car as an actual (continuously update/upgrade-able) product fascinating. Very rare for hardware. It gives an amazing user experience, "Hey restart your car and it's now got X and Y". Respect. Edit: clarifying the term "product".

Sorry, but honestly making it faster is about the opposite I want to see as an improvement. It is a near admission, we can't do jack about range so lets wave our dicks around at the stop light. I was so hoping the D would have stood for distance/double/ etc before speculation ruined that idea. Now it seems their only news is, look its faster which runs counter to the conservation idea of EVs

This is such an insanely nitty complaint I can't even believe it. They are limited by batter technology and are doing the best they can.

While conservation is certainly the idea of EVs, they need to have certain performance characteristics before they are widely accepted. PR stunts like this get people more interested in a great thing.

But I suppose this is the internet so we just need to slam everything and insult everyone. :\

Re: Tesla’s Model S Gets “Ludicrous” Mode, Will Do 0-60 in 2.8 Seconds

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Post by Cthulhu_ » Sat, Jul 18, 2015, 12:16 AM UTC

amluto wrote: post #146

zdrummond wrote: post #121

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Except, when I was driving my Tesla Model S down a long stretch of highway, the entire instrument cluster froze. I had to pull off and turn it off and on again; I kid you not. Move fast break things! Hmmmm.

In a Tesla, "my car crashed" has a whole new meaning. Hold down the top steering wheel button on each side for several seconds, then release. That'll reboot the instrument cluster. Hold down both scroll wheels for several seconds and release -- that will reboot the center console. Perfectly safe while driving, and everything still works. Everything that Tesla considers essential, of course. You can't tell how fast yo…

> but apparently no one at Tesla ever lived or stopped the car in a dangerous neighborhood.

* while holding down both scroll wheels for several seconds to reboot the center console for whatever reason.

Re: Tesla’s Model S Gets “Ludicrous” Mode, Will Do 0-60 in 2.8 Seconds

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Post by theonlyhighlndr » Sat, Jul 18, 2015, 12:18 AM UTC

kllrnohj wrote: post #204

theonlyhighlndr wrote: post #138

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Okay. Now what are their lap times? Center of gravity is one of the dozens of aspects working in conjunction that make cars fast. One of the most important being, weight.

http://fastestlaps.com/cars/tesla_model_s_p85d.html Unfortunately only 1 track, but it's not pretty and turns in times slower than a Golf GTD (diesel) or Fiesta ST. The P85 has a bit more tracks: http://fastestlaps.com/cars/tesla_model_s_performance_model.... Around Willow Springs it's slower than a Ford Mustang Ecoboost (0-60 5.2s, 310hp), and around Laguna it's close to 3 seconds slower than a VW Golf R (0-60 4.5s,…

Exactly, yet people who have no clue about cars will say that because it has a faster 0-60 time it's a faster car. Teslas marketing department is damn good.

Re: Tesla’s Model S Gets “Ludicrous” Mode, Will Do 0-60 in 2.8 Seconds

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Post by durkie » Sat, Jul 18, 2015, 12:22 AM UTC

vectorjohn wrote: post #227

seanflyon wrote: post #214

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With the exception of the Leaf, all those fully electric cars seem more like tests or prototypes than serious attempts to win the market. Nissan is anything but passive when it comes to fully electric cars, but all the other major car makers are being, in my opinion, overly cautious.

I just got a Fiat 500e, it is a bad ass car, and definitely doesn't feel like a test or prototype. It gets more like 85 miles (it better, it's much smaller than a Leaf), and works for almost all the transportation I need. I haven't bothered to set up a high voltage charger or anything, and I've been amazed by the convenience of it. I agree though, they should really be pushing these electric cars. They're awesome. Th…

Hah, the Fiat 500e is the one that the Chrysler CEO explicitly said "I hope you don't buy it"[1]

[1] http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1092315_chrysler-ceo-und...

Re: Tesla’s Model S Gets “Ludicrous” Mode, Will Do 0-60 in 2.8 Seconds

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Post by palimpsests » Sat, Jul 18, 2015, 12:29 AM UTC

semi-extrinsic wrote: post #139

j-b wrote: post #111

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So, did you end up buying a different vehicle? If so, which one?

With the OP's requirements I'd recommend a '94 Volvo 240 Turbo. (If we ever need a second car I'm getting one; my first car was one). New enough to be safe (airbags etc), some tinkering will get you 300 bhp, it's rear-wheel drive and has a perfect 50-50 weight distribution if you move the battery to the trunk (standard rally trick). Stereo still has a cassette player, so a $5 adapter lets you plug in your phone for m…

Those cassette adapters for a 1/8" audio jack have awful sound quality, break frequently, and are usually around $20, not $5. You would be better off upgrading the stereo, unless you just want to play tapes or listen to the radio.

Re: Tesla’s Model S Gets “Ludicrous” Mode, Will Do 0-60 in 2.8 Seconds

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Post by cam- » Sat, Jul 18, 2015, 12:36 AM UTC

baddox wrote: post #218

oaktowner wrote: post #193

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I'm pretty sure he means that he doesn't want anything that has both an infotainment system and a steering wheel...in other words, he doesn't want an entertainment system in a car.

I thought he meant that he doesn't want an infotainment system in his car until we have self-driving cars.

Can't wait until self driving cars become the norm; I don't need a drive way, a garage and the suburb I can live in can have smaller roads with the space for cars given over to walking paths and bicycles. Maybe in 2050.